If this is an isolated incident, it's probably easier to deal with it by leaving the particular admin a polite note explaining the misunderstanding, or by working through deletion review (WP:DRV). Unless you're trying to get at some greater trend or history of bad decisions. I know I've made a few mistakes, but once they're pointed out to me, I'm usually willing to correct them, or at least request/accept review from the community.
Just a thought, -Luna
On 12/5/06, David Boothroyd david@election.demon.co.uk wrote:
I agree with this. A few days ago I created [[338171]]. Being rather bored at the time I gave a facetious edit summary which claimed the article was all about the number 338,171. It was swiftly tagged with a speedy delete tag, and then deleted (despite me having quickly put a {{hangon}}).
The article was actually a redirect to T.E. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia"). Wanting privacy, in later life Lawrence re-enlisted in the RAF as an Aircraftsman (equivalent of Private in the Army), and was given 338171 as his service number. He often signed himself "338171 A/C Shaw", prompting Noel Coward to ask him "May I call you 338?".
It was quite obvious on reading the article that it was actually a redirect. If the admin had checked the article to which it was redirected he would have found the reason explained there. So while it's legitimate to claim to have been misled by the edit summary, that really doesn't justify mistakenly speedying a perfectly good redirect. I appreciate that speedy deletion patrollers are often overworked but overwork is not an excuse for lack of common sense. -- David Boothroyd - http://www.election.demon.co.uk david@election.demon.co.uk (home) dboothroyd@westminster.gov.uk (council) _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
As the administrator responsible, I apologize. This happened a couple of days ago; the user did indeed leave a polite note, for which I am grateful, to which I responded with a note about facetious edit summaries. This was an error of judgement on my part; probably because I had spent too long deleting articles that day, for which I also apologize. I shall find unwilling victims to shunt the workload onto in future.
-Gurch
-----Original Message----- From: wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Luna Sent: 06 December 2006 06:33 To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Speedy deletion patrol
If this is an isolated incident, it's probably easier to deal with it by leaving the particular admin a polite note explaining the misunderstanding, or by working through deletion review (WP:DRV). Unless you're trying to get at some greater trend or history of bad decisions. I know I've made a few mistakes, but once they're pointed out to me, I'm usually willing to correct them, or at least request/accept review from the community.
Just a thought, -Luna
On 12/5/06, David Boothroyd david@election.demon.co.uk wrote:
I agree with this. A few days ago I created [[338171]]. Being rather bored at the time I gave a facetious edit summary which claimed the article was all about the number 338,171. It was swiftly tagged with a speedy delete tag, and then deleted (despite me having quickly put a {{hangon}}).
The article was actually a redirect to T.E. Lawrence ("Lawrence of Arabia"). Wanting privacy, in later life Lawrence re-enlisted in the RAF as an Aircraftsman (equivalent of Private in the Army), and was given 338171 as his service number. He often signed himself "338171 A/C Shaw", prompting Noel Coward to ask him "May I call you 338?".
It was quite obvious on reading the article that it was actually a redirect. If the admin had checked the article to which it was redirected he would have found the reason explained there. So while it's legitimate to claim to have been misled by the edit summary, that really doesn't justify mistakenly speedying a perfectly good redirect. I appreciate that speedy deletion patrollers are often overworked but overwork is not an excuse for lack of common sense. -- David Boothroyd - http://www.election.demon.co.uk david@election.demon.co.uk (home) dboothroyd@westminster.gov.uk (council) _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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On 06/12/06, Luna lunasantin@gmail.com wrote:
If this is an isolated incident, it's probably easier to deal with it by leaving the particular admin a polite note explaining the misunderstanding, or by working through deletion review (WP:DRV). Unless you're trying to get at some greater trend or history of bad decisions. I know I've made a few mistakes, but once they're pointed out to me, I'm usually willing to correct them, or at least request/accept review from the community.
An erroneous speedy doesn't need DRV - any admin can restore it. (This is so that speedy patrollers don't have to be infallible.) This is of course problematic for non-admins.
- d.
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:43:23 +0000, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
An erroneous speedy doesn't need DRV - any admin can restore it. (This is so that speedy patrollers don't have to be infallible.) This is of course problematic for non-admins.
Only if they don't know a friendly admin. There's a category for admins willing to undelete stuff in response to a reasonable request (yes, I know, first find your category). It's not too hard, though.
The point is a fair one, though - we can't do without RC patrollers tagging the enormous volume of crap created every day, so we have to be at least reasonably understanding of the possibility for good-faith errors, and fixing such errors does not imply any criticism and should not require the user to chop down the tallest tree in the forest WITH A HERRING!!!
Guy (JzG)