"Dan Collins" wrote
well, make prods stricter. say prods cannot be removed by author or substantive contributor
Not at all a good idea. But I'm not convinced that authors always do remove PROD notices. When they don't, something is achieved, in the sense that AfD is relieved of the burden.
Charles
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On Nov 13, 2006, at 5:37 AM, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
"Dan Collins" wrote
well, make prods stricter. say prods cannot be removed by author or substantive contributor
Not at all a good idea. But I'm not convinced that authors always do remove PROD notices. When they don't, something is achieved, in the sense that AfD is relieved of the burden.
In my experience, PRODs will take place about 80% of the time, but of that 80% about 25% will later be contested. So far I've seen exactly one article that really should have died survive a PROD and an AfD, and one more get PRODded, undeleted, and then survive AfD.
-Phil
On 11/13/06, Phil Sandifer Snowspinner@gmail.com wrote:
In my experience, PRODs will take place about 80% of the time, but of that 80% about 25% will later be contested. So far I've seen exactly one article that really should have died survive a PROD and an AfD, and one more get PRODded, undeleted, and then survive AfD.
80% of completed prods later contested? This sounds *very* high to me and is completely inconsistent with the undo rate for discussionless deletion. What data did you base this conclusion on?
In general I'd agree with the notion that greater scrutiny tends to cause more and more surprising outcomes... and I'm not quite sure what to make of that.
On Nov 13, 2006, at 3:15 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
80% of completed prods later contested? This sounds *very* high to me and is completely inconsistent with the undo rate for discussionless deletion. What data did you base this conclusion on?
No, no - 25% of completed prods. Mostly they die without a whisper.
-Phil
On 11/13/06, Phil Sandifer Snowspinner@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 13, 2006, at 3:15 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
80% of completed prods later contested? This sounds *very* high to me and is completely inconsistent with the undo rate for discussionless deletion. What data did you base this conclusion on?
No, no - 25% of completed prods. Mostly they die without a whisper.
Er, I initally wrote 25% out of 80% of .. but snipped it off. Darnit.
I still think 20% (1/5) of the total prods is fairly high.
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
On 11/13/06, Phil Sandifer Snowspinner@gmail.com wrote:
In my experience, PRODs will take place about 80% of the time, but of that 80% about 25% will later be contested. So far I've seen exactly one article that really should have died survive a PROD and an AfD, and one more get PRODded, undeleted, and then survive AfD.
80% of completed prods later contested?
Eh? I read it as 80% of articles tagged for PROD are deleted, and then a quarter of those are re-instated, which I think makes it 40% of articles tagged as PROD are contested. (A quarter of 80% is 20%, added to the initial 20% not deleted.)
Do I have it wrong?
Steve block