New subject: Flagged revs poll take 2

1 Apr 2009

No, my argument is not spurious - it's to the point. We operate in a community, and
there are plenty of things I would do differently too if I had my way with everything.
There's zero point in pursuing proposals that are strongly opposed by a significant
section of the community. "Majority" (50%+1) is not good enough for something as
important as this. 

As another poster said: "Dont break the community". Flagged revisions and the
increasing trend towards deletionism are the two developments that have the greatest risk
of doing exactly that. 

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Your argument is spurious. 

It may well be that this proposal is the only one that would pass - but 
that neither means that it is good, nor that it is a good thing that it 
is passing. 

The proposal IMO is damaging to the cause of using flagged revisions in 
a manner that will help BLP victims. 

Doing nothing would be better than this. 

Your argument is the logical fallacy that because "something must be 
done" means "anything is better than the status quo", or that "any 
movement is a step in the right direction" - which does not consider 
that one can move, and move in the wrong direction. 

Andrew Turvey wrote: 
...
  And yet this poll seems to have significantly more
support across the board than any other proposal that has been put forward. If there's
another way of taking it forward that would have sufficient support, let's hear it. 

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 Nathan wrote: 
  Two more problems: 

 1) This just barely made it on the watchlist notice, with a whopping one day 
 for further participation. 

 2) None of the details on how the trial will actually work have been 
 determined. Questions and opposition along these lines have been primarily 
 met with "We'll work that out when the poll closes." 

 Nice. 

 Nathan 

 (expanded opinion at 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Avruch/FlaggedRevs_vs._NPP) 
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 First sensible response I've seen to this. I thought I was on my own as 
 being a determined BLP warrior (or worrier) who opposed this ridiculous 
 thing. 

 It seems to be a victory of "something must be done - and this is 
 something" over common sense. 

 This does nothing at all for BLP subjects, screws flagged revisions, and 
 introduces a nightmare, all at once. 

 Nice indeed. 

 Scott 

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