On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:12:07 +0000 (UTC), wikien-l-request@wikipedia.org wikien-l-request@wikipedia.org wrote:
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:43:49 +0100 From: sean.clarke@guardian.co.uk Subject: [WikiEN-l] a proposal: wikigenealogy To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Message-ID: OF0F941193.3D44E948-ON80256ED8.005B988E@int.gnl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
hello
I've long wished there were a genealogical database of European monarchs etc, where for instance Charlemagne exists as an entry with his wives listed in one column, his sons in another, his daughters in another, his known mistresses in another and his mother and father in two more.
as it grew (wikistyle) you could then see things like: all male descendants of Charlemagne (or whoever) or choose to display the information in all sorts of ways.
but I don't know a) how to do it or b) if wikipedia is the right place for it
any thoughts?
sc
Yes, that is a good idea. However, it should not be on Wikipedia, according to [[Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not]]. Maybe if some big Wikimedia person (like Jimbo, maybe) sees this a consideration for a project may be started.
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:16:16 -0400, Frank Pinter francis.pinter@gmail.com wrote:
I've long wished there were a genealogical database of European monarchs etc,
Yes, that is a good idea. However, it should not be on Wikipedia, according to [[Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not]]. Maybe if some big Wikimedia person (like Jimbo, maybe) sees this a consideration for a project may be started.
The problem with this is that, while the monarchy/etc information may be available, the project would be prone to insertion of nonfamous, nonnotable peoples' geneologies. These are liable to be extremely unverifiable. Also, there is a fair population of people who think they are royalty but are not: c.f. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vernon John De Duckmanton (and the associated talk page).
How would you overcome this sort of problem?
Fennec Foxen wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 11:16:16 -0400, Frank Pinter francis.pinter@gmail.com wrote:
I've long wished there were a genealogical database of European monarchs etc,
Yes, that is a good idea. However, it should not be on Wikipedia, according to [[Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not]]. Maybe if some big Wikimedia person (like Jimbo, maybe) sees this a consideration for a project may be started.
The problem with this is that, while the monarchy/etc information may be available, the project would be prone to insertion of nonfamous, nonnotable peoples' geneologies. These are liable to be extremely unverifiable. Also, there is a fair population of people who think they are royalty but are not: c.f. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vernon_John_De_Duckmanton (and the associated talk page).
How would you overcome this sort of problem?
Including some genealogical data on royalty pages should be no big deal. Extrapolating that to the genealogies of non-famous people requires a great leap of credibility. That there would be people who would mistakenly believe that they were royalty comes as no surprises. Royal fertilization techniques were bound to grow a few bananas on the apple tree.
It does appear that John the Duck is straight out of Monty Python; and with his adversary confessing that his family has taken itself seriously since the time of King John, the result is bound to be hilarious.
Ec