Suggestion posted to AC noticeboard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboar...
More input needed for the idea, general support, general revulsion, etc.
- d.
I've noticed that established users are practically immune to the consequences of being incivil if they aren't absolute trolls. I mean, I could probably say "fuck you" to a number of people right now and get away with it.
Wouldn't it be nice to introduce something similar to 3rr except for incivility? Ie. if you make a personal attack you get blocked for 6 hours or 12 or some length shorter than 24. There is of course the obvious problem that what constitues a personal attack is completly subjective, but I thought I'd post this anyway.
Hi all,
I personally believe that the only solution to the problem of incivil users is to warn them once and, if their incivility continues, block them permanently. Serious incivility and egregrious personal attacks should be met with an indefinite block immediately. Harsh, perhaps, but every uncivil contributor degrades the reputation of Wikipedia and deters many potentially helpful people from expressing their thoughts and engaging constructively.
I realise that this might be considered against Wikipedia's principles of assuming good faith, in which case, I say, these principles should be rejected. Why be nice to trolls and scare away newcomers?
Of course, these standards should be applied equally to all contributors—ranging from anonymous-IP contributors to well-known administrators and stewards.
—Thomas Larsen
Because by reacting harshly you create IP-vandals.
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Hi all,
I personally believe that the only solution to the problem of incivil users is to warn them once and, if their incivility continues, block them permanently. Serious incivility and egregrious personal attacks should be met with an indefinite block immediately. Harsh, perhaps, but every uncivil contributor degrades the reputation of Wikipedia and deters many potentially helpful people from expressing their thoughts and engaging constructively.
I realise that this might be considered against Wikipedia's principles of assuming good faith, in which case, I say, these principles should be rejected. Why be nice to trolls and scare away newcomers?
Of course, these standards should be applied equally to all contributors—ranging from anonymous-IP contributors to well-known administrators and stewards.
—Thomas Larsen
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Hi Will,
Because by reacting harshly you create IP-vandals.
How so? If people who are blocked for being uncivil are going to turn into IP vandals, that's an even greater reason for rejecting uncivil users outright, i.e., blocking on sight any incivil user. I could be wrong, of course, but I don't think so.
—Thomas Larsen
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:33 PM, larsen.thomas.h <larsen.thomas.h@gmail.com
wrote:
I could be wrong, of course, but I don't think so.
—Thomas Larsen
You're wrong. "Uncivil" is a vague term and someone might just be having a bad day or two (or three). No need to react harshly.
You're wrong. "Uncivil" is a vague term and someone might just be having a bad day or two (or three). No need to react harshly.
Nobody should be editing Wikipedia if they are having such a "bad day" that they are unable to retain their composure and remain polite and friendly. Harsher reactions to incivility would lead to people thinking twice before posting inflammatory comments—surely, a good thing. Some people might not like politeness and friendliness, of course, and might leave the community, but that is also surely a good thing.
—Thomas Larsen
That only works Thomas when editors have full awareness. That is, other editors have to know what is happening *over here* to *this other* editor. And they just don't. None of us have a full awareness of the project. So acting harshly to one editor is not going to address the behaviour of someone else because that someone else does not see those actions. Nor do they see the reasoning behind them.
Even people who live in-project get mainly only a superficial view of a lot of situations. I really don't see a civility problem today any larger than one we had three years ago. Maybe there is some kind of metric which exists like "number of civility templates slapped up" or something, but I don't know it.
You don't stop terrorism by executing terrorists. We are always going to have editors calling each other idiots. We already have an way to deal with that in-project. We have templates and time-outs and so on. I'm not seeing why there is a call for anything stronger than what we already do.
Will
-----Original Message----- From: larsen.thomas.h larsen.thomas.h@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 3:48 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki
You're wrong. "Uncivil" is a vague term and someone might just be
having a
bad day or two (or three). No need to react harshly.
Nobody should be editing Wikipedia if they are having such a "bad day" that they are unable to retain their composure and remain polite and friendly. Harsher reactions to incivility would lead to people thinking twice before posting inflammatory comments—surely, a good thing. Some people might not like politeness and friendliness, of course, and might leave the community, but that is also surely a good thing.
—Thomas Larsen
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On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:33 PM, larsen.thomas.h <larsen.thomas.h@gmail.com
wrote:
I could be wrong, of course, but I don't think so.
Thomas Larsen
on 2/12/09 6:36 PM, Al Tally at majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
You're wrong. "Uncivil" is a vague term and someone might just be having a bad day or two (or three). No need to react harshly.
Alex, there is nothing "vague" about incivility, you know it when you see it and feel it. And, a person can have as many "bad days" as they want; but on those days they should not be posting on the wiki. Exercise some self-control or take it somewhere else.
Marc Riddell
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.netwrote:
Alex, there is nothing "vague" about incivility, you know it when you see it and feel it. And, a person can have as many "bad days" as they want; but on those days they should not be posting on the wiki. Exercise some self-control or take it somewhere else.
Marc Riddell
"You know it when you see it" - that's vague enough for me!
Often people don't know they're having a bad day, and may respond more harshly than they would normally. Not their fault, it's human nature.
Oh yeah. And if someone, in real life, goes and starts fighting with a policeman for some reason, well, maybe he's having a bad day, let him go!
-- Alvaro
On 13-02-2009, at 1:02, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.netwrote:
Alex, there is nothing "vague" about incivility, you know it when you see it and feel it. And, a person can have as many "bad days" as they want; but on those days they should not be posting on the wiki. Exercise some self-control or take it somewhere else.
Marc Riddell
"You know it when you see it" - that's vague enough for me!
Often people don't know they're having a bad day, and may respond more harshly than they would normally. Not their fault, it's human nature.
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And the point here is not about "fighting with a policeman". The point is that two people often fight with *each other*, and when the police are called, they examine both people and provided there are no bruises or broken bones, they basically tell them to cool it and stay apart.
They don't take them to prison, and they don't exile them from the island.
-----Original Message----- From: Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:28 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki
Oh yeah. And if someone, in real life, goes and starts fighting with a policeman for some reason, well, maybe he's having a bad day, let him go!
-- Alvaro
On 13-02-2009, at 1:02, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.netwrote:
Alex, there is nothing "vague" about incivility, you know it when you see it and feel it. And, a person can have as many "bad days" as they want; but on those days they should not be posting on the wiki. Exercise some self-control or take it somewhere else.
Marc Riddell
"You know it when you see it" - that's vague enough for me!
Often people don't know they're having a bad day, and may respond more harshly than they would normally. Not their fault, it's hum
an nature.
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Maybe my example's not too clear, but my point is you can't justify trolling nor excessive arguing with "Hey, let's be nice with him, he's having a bad day". That way the world would be in a massive chaos.
-- Alvaro
On 13-02-2009, at 1:46, wjhonson@aol.com wrote:
And the point here is not about "fighting with a policeman". The point is that two people often fight with *each other*, and when the police are called, they examine both people and provided there are no bruises or broken bones, they basically tell them to cool it and stay apart.
They don't take them to prison, and they don't exile them from the island.
-----Original Message----- From: Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:28 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki
Oh yeah. And if someone, in real life, goes and starts fighting with a policeman for some reason, well, maybe he's having a bad day, let him go!
-- Alvaro
On 13-02-2009, at 1:02, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.netwrote:
Alex, there is nothing "vague" about incivility, you know it when you see it and feel it. And, a person can have as many "bad days" as they want; but on those days they should not be posting on the wiki. Exercise some self-control or take it somewhere else.
Marc Riddell
"You know it when you see it" - that's vague enough for me!
Often people don't know they're having a bad day, and may respond more harshly than they would normally. Not their fault, it's hum
an nature.
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Well, short of things like homicide, we can tolerate it for a day, and try to fix up the damage & counsel the offender. What we should stop tolerating is when it becomes repeated consistently over many months or years.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe my example's not too clear, but my point is you can't justify trolling nor excessive arguing with "Hey, let's be nice with him, he's having a bad day". That way the world would be in a massive chaos.
-- Alvaro
On 13-02-2009, at 1:46, wjhonson@aol.com wrote:
And the point here is not about "fighting with a policeman". The point is that two people often fight with *each other*, and when the police are called, they examine both people and provided there are no bruises or broken bones, they basically tell them to cool it and stay apart.
They don't take them to prison, and they don't exile them from the island.
-----Original Message----- From: Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:28 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki
Oh yeah. And if someone, in real life, goes and starts fighting with a policeman for some reason, well, maybe he's having a bad day, let him go!
-- Alvaro
On 13-02-2009, at 1:02, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.netwrote:
Alex, there is nothing "vague" about incivility, you know it when you see it and feel it. And, a person can have as many "bad days" as they want; but on those days they should not be posting on the wiki. Exercise some self-control or take it somewhere else.
Marc Riddell
"You know it when you see it" - that's vague enough for me!
Often people don't know they're having a bad day, and may respond more harshly than they would normally. Not their fault, it's hum
an nature.
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Oh yeah, for one day is acceptable, but if it's been two weeks and he/ she continues like this, some things have to be made!
-- Alvaro
On 12-02-2009, at 22:53, David Goodman dgoodmanny@gmail.com wrote:
Well, short of things like homicide, we can tolerate it for a day, and try to fix up the damage & counsel the offender. What we should stop tolerating is when it becomes repeated consistently over many months or years.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com w rote:
Maybe my example's not too clear, but my point is you can't justify trolling nor excessive arguing with "Hey, let's be nice with him, he's having a bad day". That way the world would be in a massive chaos.
-- Alvaro
On 13-02-2009, at 1:46, wjhonson@aol.com wrote:
And the point here is not about "fighting with a policeman". The point is that two people often fight with *each other*, and when the police are called, they examine both people and provided there are no bruises or broken bones, they basically tell them to cool it and stay apart.
They don't take them to prison, and they don't exile them from the island.
-----Original Message----- From: Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:28 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki
Oh yeah. And if someone, in real life, goes and starts fighting with a policeman for some reason, well, maybe he's having a bad day, let him go!
-- Alvaro
On 13-02-2009, at 1:02, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.netwrote:
Alex, there is nothing "vague" about incivility, you know it when you see it and feel it. And, a person can have as many "bad days" as they want; but on those days they should not be posting on the wiki. Exercise some self-control or take it somewhere else.
Marc Riddell
"You know it when you see it" - that's vague enough for me!
Often people don't know they're having a bad day, and may respond more harshly than they would normally. Not their fault, it's hum
an nature.
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I think Alvaro the distinction that we should draw is between "incivility" which may be a one-off, or even a once-per-week, versus "disruptive behaviour".
It's not cut-and-dry, it's not an easy call and often people make the wrong call. If I'm antagonized I will respond. Parents might punish both children involved in a fight, judges have to decide if maybe one person was "more wrong" then the other.
Deciding that it's OK to "indefinite ban" a type of behaviour that previously resulted in something like a 12 hour block is a bit Draconian.
-----Original Message----- From: Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 1:38 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki
Maybe my example's not too clear, but my point is you can't justify trolling nor excessive arguing with "Hey, let's be nice with him, he's having a bad day". That way the world would be in a massive chaos. -- Alvaro
Yeah, I made myself clear in other mail.
Cheers
-- Alvaro
On 12-02-2009, at 22:56, wjhonson@aol.com wrote:
I think Alvaro the distinction that we should draw is between "incivility" which may be a one-off, or even a once-per-week, versus "disruptive behaviour".
It's not cut-and-dry, it's not an easy call and often people make the wrong call. If I'm antagonized I will respond. Parents might punish both children involved in a fight, judges have to decide if maybe one person was "more wrong" then the other.
Deciding that it's OK to "indefinite ban" a type of behaviour that previously resulted in something like a 12 hour block is a bit Draconian.
-----Original Message----- From: Alvaro García alvareo@gmail.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 1:38 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki
Maybe my example's not too clear, but my point is you can't justify trolling nor excessive arguing with "Hey, let's be nice with him, he's having a bad day". That way the world would be in a massive chaos. -- Alvaro
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2009/2/13 Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com:
Often people don't know they're having a bad day, and may respond more harshly than they would normally. Not their fault, it's human nature.
There's also people's tendency to be liberal in what they send out and conservative in what they accept. I remember one person moving to ban sarcasm from Wikipedia project space. He was inspired to this when someone responded sarcastically to him comparing them to Hitler.
- d.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 4:04 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2009/2/13 Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com:
Often people don't know they're having a bad day, and may respond more harshly than they would normally. Not their fault, it's human nature.
There's also people's tendency to be liberal in what they send out and conservative in what they accept. I remember one person moving to ban sarcasm from Wikipedia project space. He was inspired to this when someone responded sarcastically to him comparing them to Hitler.
I think that "bad day" and "liberal in emit conservative in accept" go together fairly strongly. People who are reasonable (most people) only get that way on bad days.
Part of the problem is that there's a quite legitimate tendency for the first thing that goes when you get grumpy or sick to be your introspective self-checking...
People in real life respond a bit better to "Hey, you seem to be extra grumpy today, why don't you take the day off?" than they do online. There's the whole depersonalizing / disassociating effect of not seeing people in front of you when communicating electronically.
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 4:04 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2009/2/13 Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com:
Often people don't know they're having a bad day, and may respond more harshly than they would normally. Not their fault, it's human nature.
There's also people's tendency to be liberal in what they send out and conservative in what they accept. I remember one person moving to ban sarcasm from Wikipedia project space. He was inspired to this when someone responded sarcastically to him comparing them to Hitler.
on 2/12/09 7:52 PM, George Herbert at george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
I think that "bad day" and "liberal in emit conservative in accept" go together fairly strongly. People who are reasonable (most people) only get that way on bad days.
Part of the problem is that there's a quite legitimate tendency for the first thing that goes when you get grumpy or sick to be your introspective self-checking...
People in real life respond a bit better to "Hey, you seem to be extra grumpy today, why don't you take the day off?" than they do online. There's the whole depersonalizing / disassociating effect of not seeing people in front of you when communicating electronically.
George, this is often why I wonder if a person in this medium would say the exact same words to the person if they were with them in-person, face to face.
Marc
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:33 PM, larsen.thomas.h <larsen.thomas.h@gmail.com
wrote:
I could be wrong, of course, but I don't think so.
Thomas Larsen
on 2/12/09 6:36 PM, Al Tally at majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
You're wrong. "Uncivil" is a vague term and someone might just be having a bad day or two (or three). No need to react harshly.
Alex, with posts like this, you are teaching us who to watch.
Marc
Too late. I have been watching Alex for some time now and I'm very disturbed. In fact I've alerted the FBI, the CIA, MI-6 and the Illuminati.
I'm quite certain that Alex will shortly find himself confined in a very small room somewhere several hundred feet under a mundane gray building.
Will
-----Original Message----- From: Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 7:01 pm Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:33 PM, larsen.thomas.h
<larsen.thomas.h@gmail.com
wrote:
I could be wrong, of course, but I don't think so.
‹Thomas Larsen
on 2/12/09 6:36 PM, Al Tally at majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
You're wrong. "Uncivil" is a vague term and someone might just be
having a
bad day or two (or three). No need to react harshly.
Alex, with posts like this, you are teaching us who to watch.
Marc
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On 08/02/2009, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Suggestion posted to AC noticeboard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboar...
More input needed for the idea, general support, general revulsion, etc.
I think sniffing helium and saying everything 3 times could work (because that makes it true).
Although I do take your point about some of the admin behaviours.
- d.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Ian Woollard ian.woollard@gmail.com wrote:
On 08/02/2009, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Suggestion posted to AC noticeboard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboar...
More input needed for the idea, general support, general revulsion, etc.
I think sniffing helium and saying everything 3 times could work (because that makes it true).
Although I do take your point about some of the admin behaviours.
Rather like a police force growing fat and corrupt, their members exempt from parking and speeding tickets. There are a great many superb admins, hard-working, pleasant, polite. And there are a few who are not, who delight in their position, with some remarkably snarky behaviour, knowing that no wikicop is ever going to do more than gently chide them. I'd like to see standards enforced from the top down, rather from the bottom up.
David Gerard wrote:
Suggestion posted to AC noticeboard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboar...
More input needed for the idea, general support, general revulsion, etc.
I would go broader, for a cleanup of userspace, now widely used for blogging and personal attacks. Basically we want to get back to the point where it is understood that (a) Wikipedia pages relate to the mission, not anyone's felt need for self-expression, and (b) although this tenet needs to be relaxed somewhat around elections, the pages are also not for battling and campaigning for personal attitudes and beefs.
In short, as far as I'm concerned, the yelling and personalia can all go offwiki, even if there needs to be a special site set up for that. People, we are a serious organisation, with something as technical as FR getting broad coverage (another column in today's London Independent).
Charles
The problem seems inevitable if you read the right taglines and workplace placards.
NOTICE: THIS DEPARTMENT NEEDS NO PHYSICAL FITNESS PROGRAM.
Everyone gets enough excercise at Jumping to conclusions, Flying off the handle, Running down the boss, Knifing friends in the back, Dodging responsibility, and Pushing their luck.
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Suggestion posted to AC noticeboard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboar...
More input needed for the idea, general support, general revulsion, etc.
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Raise tone, drop tone, all with an intuition for time. If you spend any time at it: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Humor_songs_and_poems So much for David Levy's theory that humour belongs at uncyclopedia.
In "Get Fuzzy", there was talk about that nation who sings an anthem about war. I will revise.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki_Spangled_Banner.ogg In a-cappella ("instrument free") mode, I tend to rewrite tunes, too. I think I hav heard Star Spangled Banner sung this way at the beginning and the end. Could be my imajination. My middle is different from the usual, especially "gallantly screening". I looked around for MIDIs. All three that I found were more repetitive, and with a different beat than I remember. You are welcome to match what I sing. Girls might hav trouble matching my Bayse if they are Soprano. Mechanical experiments can be made if you make something up.
Is no try. Do or do not. --Yoda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spoken_Wikipedia/Recordin... I missed the part about putting the license and the source in the recording. If they aren't in the write-up, then I will put them there. One piece of advice that I happily ignore is that if I mess up a take, then I start from the beginning, with a reverse button. I did this one in about ten takes. I will probably write it in terms familiar to me, just in case I want to spend any time south of Calgary and memorize all three, now FOUR, verses. I should put this verse as verse two, then sing them backwards, like I do with O'Canada.
Under windows, there is a volume control, and typically there are different controls for recording and playback, plus a selection of devices to record. One way is to pick "Stereo Mixer". That might require a couple takes to get the mix about equal. It has a noise disadvantage, and such recordings can not be used to make real stereo separation. The other way is to pick "mic", so that your recording is isolated from anything you might be listening to. That allows me to synchronize, then mix later, which reminds me of something I should be doing.
The lyrics are here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/The_Wikipedia-spangled_banner