First off, my credentials:
[[en:User:Brian0918]] Administrator 11,754 edits
Short version: There is a huge battle going on in which VFDers on WP, WS, and Commons are pushing user-compiled lists from one project to another. In each case, they are saying the lists belong on one of the other 3 projects. Almost nobody is saying that these lists don't belong anywhere, but nobody can decide on where they belong. It also doesn't help that nobody on one project accepts the outcome of another project's VFD (an outcome which may have said to transwiki to this project) as a reason to keep it on this project.
Long version: There has been an ongoing battle between Wikipedia, Wikisource, and Commons over the fate of user-compiled, well-sourced lists. Specifically, I'm talking about lists of victims of disasters. It all started with the [[List of General Slocum victims]] and [[List of victims of the 1913 Great Lakes storm]]. The first appears to have only one source, but is not a copyvio nor direct copy of an original source, while the second was compiled by me for Wikipedia (originally), and required more research than most people put into 5 featured articles...
Anyways, the first was VFDd from Wikipedia, with a few suggestions that it should be transwiki'd to Wikisource: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/List_of_General_Sl...
These suggestions led to both myself and the creator of the first list to move our lists over to Wikisource. My list was subsequently VFD'd from Wikisource, and a VFD was also instituted for ALL such user-compiled lists. Both of these VFDs are still open, I think: http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Proposed_deletions#March_2005 http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Remove_Tables_and_Lists_fr...
At Wikisource, the opinion seems to be that these lists belong either at Wikipedia or Commons (yes, Commons does accept text, read the Main Page). Following these suggestions, we subsequently copied these lists over to Commons in the event that they suddenly disappeared from Wikisource......
And, of course, they are now up for deletion on Commons, where the opinion has been less favorable (they don't like being the "last choice" for things deleted from elsewhere), although many have expressed the opinion that these lists do in fact belong on Wikipedia. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Deletion_requests#List_of_victims... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Deletion_requests#List_of_General...
Meanwhile, on Wikipedia, an Undelete request was instituted (by myself, I think) for the General Slocum list, but the majority are saying that it doesn't belong on Wikipedia, but on Commons or Wikisource.
Summary: As Stevertigo said: "Theres no sense in people batting this thing about. Clearly it belongs at source or [WP]... There needs to be some policy against batting things around."
Brian a écrit:
First off, my credentials:
[[en:User:Brian0918]] Administrator 11,754 edits
Short version: There is a huge battle going on in which VFDers on WP, WS, and Commons are pushing user-compiled lists from one project to another. In each case, they are saying the lists belong on one of the other 3 projects. Almost nobody is saying that these lists don't belong anywhere, but nobody can decide on where they belong. It also doesn't help that nobody on one project accepts the outcome of another project's VFD (an outcome which may have said to transwiki to this project) as a reason to keep it on this project.
This is an important point you raise. From another perspective, we also increasingly are confronted to situation of editors jumping from one project to another, or one language to another, while they are banned on the first and not (yet ?) on the second. Some editors will then reject civil rights to this editor (such as forbidding to an editor banned on the english wikipedia to vote on meta), while others consider he should be given a chance as blocking rules are different from one project to the next (for example, the german wikipedia seems to block or unsysop editors much more easily than the french wikipedia). There is an ongoing issue right now with an editor of the dutch and english projects.
In short, we increasingly are confronted to this inter-projects relationships, relying in local rules... as many issues fall in a sort of grey area. What you report kinda of fall in the same area.
Do you think a sort of international committee, made of editors from different projects and different languages could make these decisions on behalf of all editors in these sorts of situation, per request of local communities. Right now, it mostly ends up by request to Jimbo, Angela and myself... and I'd say it is not the best solution. The only good point of this solution is that usually our decision is well accepted by (relieved) editors.
So, it would be interesting to see whether a sort of international court would be acceptable to solve these kind of issues.
If so, how could it be organised ? How would it get members ? (nomination, elections...) On which rules would it work ?
Suggestions ?
Anthere
Short version: There is a huge battle going on in which VFDers on WP, WS, and Commons are pushing user-compiled lists from one project to another. In each case, they are saying the lists belong on one of the other 3 projects. Almost nobody is saying that these lists don't belong anywhere, but nobody can decide on where they belong. It also doesn't help that nobody on one project accepts the outcome of another project's VFD (an outcome which may have said to transwiki to this project) as a reason to keep it on this project.
I'm reminded of Lewis Carroll's mouse:
"Mine is a long and sad tale!"
I wish you good luck finding a home for this.
Regards, Haukur