On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Raphael Wegmann raphael@psi.co.at wrote:
cohesion schrieb:
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Raphael Wegmann raphael@psi.co.at wrote:
Thank you Andrew for your effort. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like any of those zealots is willing to compromise. Appeasing the no-censorship fundamentalists looks like mission impossible.
I don't believe we have to make a concession to censorship to show that we are thinking about what we are doing. Reasonable people may disagree. I have thought about my viewpoint at length. I think the general population sees our decision not to censor Wikipedia not as an indication that we haven't thought about the issue, but that we have, and that we have come to the right conclusion. This is reflected in general talk on the internet, and emails sent to otrs.
Calling us zealots and fundamentalists gets us no where.
Do you feel offended?
No, I was only trying to help reach a consensus.
We might be able to reach a compromise, but it's not going to be conceding 100% to what the anonymous web petition wants. Maybe we could educate people in how to hide images themselves.
Do you want me to educate you, how you could filter my emails?
You probably wouldn't have much opposition in a purely educational stance, do you?
Honestly. I have real difficulties to assume good faith, when you consider a show/hide link censorship, because it simply isn't. And not realizing a widespread disagreement with those images looks like ignorance to me.
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Raphael
Hmm, I don't usually respond to incivility, but why not. I was trying to offer a compromise, for example a link under controversial images explaining how they could be hidden. I don't see that the snippy quips about how I can filter your emails helps promote this discussion. Also, I find it very hard to believe you can't assume good faith when there are many people in this thread alone that have stronger opinions about this than myself. And sending this only to me is just childish, bullying won't get the results you want.
I'm not responding to any further emails from you, but I certainly am more prone to support the neutral inclusionist group now that I am more familiar with the tactics used by the other side. Anonymous religious petitioners and bullies, or people concerned with free open information...
cohesion schrieb:
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Raphael Wegmann raphael@psi.co.at wrote:
cohesion schrieb:
We might be able to reach a compromise, but it's not going to be conceding 100% to what the anonymous web petition wants. Maybe we could educate people in how to hide images themselves.
Do you want me to educate you, how you could filter my emails?
You probably wouldn't have much opposition in a purely educational stance, do you?
Honestly. I have real difficulties to assume good faith, when you consider a show/hide link censorship, because it simply isn't. And not realizing a widespread disagreement with those images looks like ignorance to me.
Hmm, I don't usually respond to incivility, but why not. I was trying to offer a compromise, for example a link under controversial images explaining how they could be hidden. I don't see that the snippy quips about how I can filter your emails helps promote this discussion.
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Well, it was you who suggested, that educating people in how to hide the images themselves, would somehow ease the offense. Your "bullying" charge, in response to my offer to educate you how to filter my email, suggests, that "educating people" doesn't help.