In a message dated 2/24/2008 12:39:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, shimgray@gmail.com writes:
I don't think anyone has ever claimed the Foundation *does* say this...>>
---------------------- Good, now that we agree that Fair Use images may be used. Is there a way for a bot to recognize what context an image is being used in, for it to know which ones *may* be in violation of some contextual issue?
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On 24/02/2008, WJhonson@aol.com WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
Good, now that we agree that Fair Use images may be used. Is there a way for a bot to recognize what context an image is being used in, for it to know which ones *may* be in violation of some contextual issue?
Yep! You make sure they're tagged properly.
But! What if a fair-use image is MISTAKENLY deleted??
... then it can be recovered pretty darn easily, because in almost all cases they're readily available on the internet.
But! What if a fair-use image CAN'T be easily re-uploaded??
... then it can be undeleted.
The damage to the project is negligible, and any actual cases are trivially easy to fix.
Do you have any cases of erroneous deletion to hand? Not theoretical, actual cases. If so, were any of these not trivially fixable?
- d.
David Gerard wrote:
On 24/02/2008, WJhonson@aol.com WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
Good, now that we agree that Fair Use images may be used. Is there a way for a bot to recognize what context an image is being used in, for it to know which ones *may* be in violation of some contextual issue?
Yep! You make sure they're tagged properly.
But! What if a fair-use image is MISTAKENLY deleted??
... then it can be recovered pretty darn easily, because in almost all cases they're readily available on the internet.
But! What if a fair-use image CAN'T be easily re-uploaded??
... then it can be undeleted.
The damage to the project is negligible, and any actual cases are trivially easy to fix.
Do you have any cases of erroneous deletion to hand? Not theoretical, actual cases. If so, were any of these not trivially fixable?
It's hard to come up with actual cases when those examples have already been deleted, and can't be seen. It's important to be able to audit these activities to make sure that they are consistent with theory. Bots should not be used as an excuse for refusing to think.
Ec
WJhonson@aol.com schreef:
I don't think anyone has ever claimed the Foundation *does* say this...>>
Good, now that we agree that Fair Use images may be used. Is there a way for a bot to recognize what context an image is being used in, for it to know which ones *may* be in violation of some contextual issue?
Only in a limited number of circumstances, for example: if the image is claimed to be an album cover, a bot may detect if it is used in an article about an album.
In all other circumstances, the bot has to depend on a complete fair use rationale, one which explicitly states in which articles the image is used fairly. Fortunately, this is mandatory, so a bot can work 100% correctly on properly tagged images.
Eugene
Eugene van der Pijll wrote:
WJhonson@aol.com schreef:
I don't think anyone has ever claimed the Foundation *does* say this...>>
Good, now that we agree that Fair Use images may be used. Is there a way for a bot to recognize what context an image is being used in, for it to know which ones *may* be in violation of some contextual issue?
Only in a limited number of circumstances, for example: if the image is claimed to be an album cover, a bot may detect if it is used in an article about an album.
In all other circumstances, the bot has to depend on a complete fair use rationale, one which explicitly states in which articles the image is used fairly. Fortunately, this is mandatory, so a bot can work 100% correctly on properly tagged images.
This of course turns reality upside down. You are attaching more importance to the tagging than to the actual usage. When an image is examined, and it is seen that it is used only as it should be, there should be no difficulty in adding the missing tag.
Ec