ChuckM - formerly DW/Black Widow/Olga Bityerkokoff/Jacques Delson/Joe Canuck et al, left the following message on my talkpage:
Hello you monumental asshole, crackpot, horse manure, idiot, fuckwit. If I?m all these banned people you claim, why don?t you have me banned too? ChuckM 21:18 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Regarding Joe Canuck. In my email it was suggested that Canuck was 'suceeded' by ChuckM. It turns out in true DW form this may not be wholly accurate. [[User:L'il Orphan Eddie]] appeared at 22:32 on the 20th, a little over hour after Joe Canuck was banned.
According to its user page:
I'm a poor orphan, cold and lonely since my papa DW was killed and mama Black Widow followed. I miss them so much but I know I will make new friends here. I can't stomach a lot of things but I take in as much [[Dietary fiber]] as possible.
The following was put on its talk page in response, approximately one hour later.
Most likey this is DW/Black Widow/Joe Canuck. -fonzy
See also User:Joe Canuck/ban, then. -- Karada 22:39 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Other than opening the page, this 'new' user did nothing. Instead DW reverted to form and used a 'sleeper' already, the already created [[User:ChuckM]] placed on wiki to begin defending Canuck and deleting references to the hard ban.
So the current list DW 'creations' should read:
DW ( 9 Aug 02- 30 Jan 03 BANNED) Ron Davis (7 Feb - 28 Feb 03) Elliott (30 August 02 - 20 Dec 02; 03 March - 06 March 03) Black Widow (12 March 03 - 15 April 03 BANNED) Olga Bityerkokoff (15 April 03 - 17 April 03) Jacques Delson (28 April 03 - 26 May 03) 64.228.30.125 (05 Jan 03 - 10 June 03) ChuckM (10 June 03) Joe Canuck (11 June 03 - 20 June 03 BANNED) L'il Orphan Eddie (20 June 03) ChuckM (22 June O3 - )
One final point: a quick glance suggests that many of the earlier DWs (notably Ron Davis but also others) downloaded many images with no indication of copyright. These may also have to be removed from articles and deleted. The downloads of Joe Canuck have now been deleted from wikipedia.
JT
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, james duffy wrote:
One final point: a quick glance suggests that many of the earlier DWs (notably Ron Davis but also others) downloaded many images with no indication of copyright. These may also have to be removed from articles and deleted. The downloads of Joe Canuck have now been deleted from wikipedia.
I should point out that, regardless of copyright issues, as a matter of academic ethics we should *never* use third-party materials in Wikipedia without citing the sources. That goes just as strongly for images as for text.
Yes, we've got a lot of images already here that aren't well documented; and they do need to be gone through and either documented or tossed out, which will be boring and take a lot of time.
People uploading _new_ images should know better, and ought to be citing sources as they upload. If you forget to do so, that's okay; but when someone calls you on it, you need to correct the fault and cough up the cite, not threaten and insult them and hide behind nonsense about copyright and the DMCA. That kind of behavior is not going to be tolerated, and images under that kind of dispute are almost certain to be deleted on principle.
(Speaking only for myself, but I don't think I'm wrong here.)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
People uploading _new_ images should know better, and ought to be citing sources as they upload. If you forget to do so, that's okay; but when someone calls you on it, you need to correct the fault and cough up the cite, not threaten and insult them and hide behind nonsense about copyright and the DMCA. That kind of behavior is not going to be tolerated, and images under that kind of dispute are almost certain to be deleted on principle.
(Speaking only for myself, but I don't think I'm wrong here.)
No, you're directly on target. We really need everyone to work together co-operatively.