Martin Harper wrote: This is sophistry in support of a reverse onus.. The onus must remain on those who want the article deleted. This attempts to shift that onus on those who want the reference removed from the VfD. The attitude of the deletionists toward what should be deleted is a lot more severe than mine, and I simply don't trust them. Ec

We have some codes, which you seem willing to ignore. Unprotecting a page that you are involved in an edit war in, and then re-editing it to your point, comes to mind. Marking contentious changes as minor also comes to mind. The second is merely bad Wikiquette, the first is a sysop violation, and could result in your having your sysop authority taken away. OliverP, among others, has demanded that I lose my sysop authority for deleting what I, in my innocence, thought was a nonsense article. Where is the reciprocity? RickK The Cunctator <cunctator(a)kband.com> wrote: On 11/26/03 5:06 PM, "Martin Harper" wrote: If by "the code" you mean the "code of behavior", then yes. This is a situation where the solution is not primarily technological, but social. Of course, as Lessig discussed, it's a fallacy to believe that the two kinds of code (legal and machine) are wholly distinct. Fortunately, most of the necessary tools necessary for solving the bad entry problem have now been developed: stub indicators, the "restore deleted edits" option, the deletion log (though that needs to have a more friendly interface). Now the problem is primarily behavioral, which can be fixed through "legal" code. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

RickK and Maximus Rex have clearly listed what, when and where Cunctator did with his edits. Perhaps you could do the same for the supposedly "equally guilty" opponents. -Fuzheado

Please elaborate in what manner I have been "guilty of such misdeeds". Pleae explain what Angela and Hephaestos have done to be guilty of such misdeeds. RickK Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote: Rick wrote: Surely, whoever alleges that Cunc was abusing his sysop powers, must recognize that Cunc's opponents were equally guilty of such misdeeds. Ec _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

I suppose I should not have used the word "likely". It was just too polite. :-) Cunc could not possibly have unblocked something without it having been blocked, but I'm sorry I keep forgetting that some people have difficulties accepting logical conclusions as evidence :-P Ec Rick wrote: