Do you realize how ludicrous what you're saying is, though? Can the **AA sue the telephone company if I read the key over the telephone? Can they sue Fedex if I ship the key through their service?
Can they sue? Sure. Would they win? Probably not. Remember the old adage that when a lawyer throws a party he likes to invite everyone.
The trick is finding that happy medium between a careless risk of litigation and absolute paranoia. It's not easy. JB
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On 5/7/07, JodyB jodybwiki@bellsouth.net wrote:
Do you realize how ludicrous what you're saying is, though? Can the **AA sue the telephone company if I read the key over the telephone? Can they sue Fedex if I ship the key through their service?
Can they sue? Sure. Would they win? Probably not. Remember the old adage that when a lawyer throws a party he likes to invite everyone.
Should we get into a metaphysical discussion of whether or not one has the ability to do something that is never going to happen?
I'd rather not. I think you know what I meant. If not, oh well.
The trick is finding that happy medium between a careless risk of litigation and absolute paranoia. It's not easy.
If the foundation is worried about the material, by all means the foundation should remove it from the archives. The suggestion of this thread seems to go far beyond that, however.
Anthony
Should we get into a metaphysical discussion of whether or not one has the ability to do something that is never going to happen?
How sure are you that it will never happen? **AA have sued plenty of people for things that no-one in their right mind would ever believe was illegal - suing Fedex isn't that big a leap.
On 07/05/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Should we get into a metaphysical discussion of whether or not one has the ability to do something that is never going to happen?
How sure are you that it will never happen? **AA have sued plenty of people for things that no-one in their right mind would ever believe was illegal - suing Fedex isn't that big a leap.
I once more refer the honorable gentleman to Felten's countersuit, which caused the RIAA to back down furiously and decide they didn't really want to shoot their foot off after all. We have at least as much cuddly factor.
- d.
On 5/7/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Should we get into a metaphysical discussion of whether or not one has the ability to do something that is never going to happen?
How sure are you that it will never happen? **AA have sued plenty of people for things that no-one in their right mind would ever believe was illegal - suing Fedex isn't that big a leap.
I'm fairly certain. Basically, the chance that you shouldn't trust my opinion on the matter far outweighs my own estimation that something so absurd is going to happen.
And please note that I'm specifically talking about the chances the **AA are going to sue the WMF for hosting a mailing list wherein some people happened to leak the key, without at least giving them an opportunity to take it out of the archives and avoid a lawsuit. The chances the WMF will get sued over the stuff going on at the website is much greater, though still small in my humble non-expert opinion.
I dispute your statement that "**AA have sued plenty of people for things that no-one in their right mind would ever believe was illegal". They've made plenty of mistakes of fact, and plenty more mistakes of law, but I haven't yet seen them initiate lawsuits which were completely outside the realm of sanity. And that's what I consider the notion of suing Fedex if I ship the key through their service to be.
Anthony
On 5/7/07, Anthony wikimail@inbox.org wrote:
On 5/7/07, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
Should we get into a metaphysical discussion of whether or not one has the ability to do something that is never going to happen?
How sure are you that it will never happen? **AA have sued plenty of people for things that no-one in their right mind would ever believe was illegal - suing Fedex isn't that big a leap.
I'm fairly certain. Basically, the chance that you shouldn't trust my opinion on the matter far outweighs my own estimation that something so absurd is going to happen.
And please note that I'm specifically talking about the chances the **AA are going to sue the WMF for hosting a mailing list wherein some people happened to leak the key, without at least giving them an opportunity to take it out of the archives and avoid a lawsuit. The chances the WMF will get sued over the stuff going on at the website is much greater, though still small in my humble non-expert opinion.
I dispute your statement that "**AA have sued plenty of people for things that no-one in their right mind would ever believe was illegal". They've made plenty of mistakes of fact, and plenty more mistakes of law, but I haven't yet seen them initiate lawsuits which were completely outside the realm of sanity. And that's what I consider the notion of suing Fedex if I ship the key through their service to be.
Anthony
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That's probably in the realm of hyperbole rather than reality. (Then again, they -have- sued people who don't even own computers...) This aside, though, it's pretty far into the hyperbole realm to think they'd sue us for anything on the mailing list (or, for that matter, the site) without at -least- sending a C&D. The last thing you want to have to answer "Nothing" to is "What did you do to try and resolve this situation before you stuffed up my docket with it?"
On 07/05/07, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
That's probably in the realm of hyperbole rather than reality. (Then again, they -have- sued people who don't even own computers...) This aside, though, it's pretty far into the hyperbole realm to think they'd sue us for anything on the mailing list (or, for that matter, the site) without at -least- sending a C&D. The last thing you want to have to answer "Nothing" to is "What did you do to try and resolve this situation before you stuffed up my docket with it?"
Quite.
And if a C&D does get issued, that's when WP:OFFICE comes into play, right?
On 07/05/07, James Farrar james.farrar@gmail.com wrote:
And if a C&D does get issued, that's when WP:OFFICE comes into play, right?
Yep. As in, not yet.
I believe there have failed to be a flood of DMCA notices today, by the way.
But hey, keep watching at [[09f9]]!
- d.