Re: "Hey - let's all calm down and take a deep breath. Now please be nice to one another!"
-- mav
I'm already calm, so I don't need to take a deep breath. I'm just sitting here at my desk, kind of tired after not getting much sleep, looking over some papers and research, checking e-mail in various accounts, checking news sites, and the like.
But I am fed up with Wikipedia, though, and especially people like Stan and Fred. I doubt that I'll be able to be nice to either of them until they stop spreading these lies about me being a Stalinist in order to attack my academic credibility. I've been donating so much time to Wikipedia over the course of the past 18 months, and I'm tired of the same clowns distorting the substance of what contribute to articles over and over again all the time.
Now, if Wikipedia's giving up on academic professionalism, I'll leave without much of a fuss. I have no problem bailing out on a lost cause.
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Abe Sokolov wrote:
Re: "Hey - let's all calm down and take a deep breath. Now please be nice to one another!"
-- mav
I'm already calm, so I don't need to take a deep breath. I'm just sitting here at my desk, kind of tired after not getting much sleep, looking over some papers and research, checking e-mail in various accounts, checking news sites, and the like.
But I am fed up with Wikipedia, though, and especially people like Stan and Fred. I doubt that I'll be able to be nice to either of them until they stop spreading these lies about me being a Stalinist...
I've never said you were a Stalinist. I do think you're heavily biased; you always have an excuse or apology for a leftwinger's action, and are always ready to blame a rightwinger for engaging in exactly the same kinds of actions. As it happens, there's a strain of academic history for which this degree of bias is considered normal, and another strain on the rightwing side too; an unfortunate state of affairs. It's gotten so bad these days that you can't usefully read anything on 20th-century history before finding out the left/right bias of the writer.
Stan
Stan Shebs wrote:
Abe Sokolov wrote:
Re: "Hey - let's all calm down and take a deep breath. Now please be nice to one another!" -- mav
I'm already calm, so I don't need to take a deep breath. I'm just sitting here at my desk, kind of tired after not getting much sleep, looking over some papers and research, checking e-mail in various accounts, checking news sites, and the like.
But I am fed up with Wikipedia, though, and especially people like Stan and Fred. I doubt that I'll be able to be nice to either of them until they stop spreading these lies about me being a Stalinist...
I've never said you were a Stalinist. I do think you're heavily biased; you always have an excuse or apology for a leftwinger's action, and are always ready to blame a rightwinger for engaging in exactly the same kinds of actions. As it happens, there's a strain of academic history for which this degree of bias is considered normal, and another strain on the rightwing side too; an unfortunate state of affairs. It's gotten so bad these days that you can't usefully read anything on 20th-century history before finding out the left/right bias of the writer.
I agree that you weren't the one to introduce the term Stalinist. It can be difficult to steer a middle course between the blind idealism of the left, and the blind realism of the right.
Ec
Stan Shebs wrote:
Abe Sokolov wrote:
Re: "Hey - let's all calm down and take a deep breath. Now please be nice to one another!"
-- mav
I'm already calm, so I don't need to take a deep breath. I'm just sitting here at my desk, kind of tired after not getting much sleep, looking over some papers and research, checking e-mail in various accounts, checking news sites, and the like.
But I am fed up with Wikipedia, though, and especially people like Stan and Fred. I doubt that I'll be able to be nice to either of them until they stop spreading these lies about me being a Stalinist...
I've never said you were a Stalinist. I do think you're heavily biased; you always have an excuse or apology for a leftwinger's action, and are always ready to blame a rightwinger for engaging in exactly the same kinds of actions. As it happens, there's a strain of academic history for which this degree of bias is considered normal, and another strain on the rightwing side too; an unfortunate state of affairs. It's gotten so bad these days that you can't usefully read anything on 20th-century history before finding out the left/right bias of the writer.
Stan
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I disagree - you can always tell the POV of the writer by reading the book. I can only think of one book on East Germany for example that isn't propaganda for either side.
Caroline
Caroline Ford wrote:
Stan Shebs wrote:
[...] It's gotten so bad these days that you can't usefully read anything on 20th-century history before finding out the left/right bias of the writer.
I disagree - you can always tell the POV of the writer by reading the book. I can only think of one book on East Germany for example that isn't propaganda for either side.
You're more astute than I am then! I've been led down the garden path a few times - get partway in, belatedly recognize the unspoken agenda, then have to start over from the beginning and reinterpret what I'm reading with a less trustful eye.
Stan
Please. Have you EVER made an edit that didn't attack the US and defend all of these dictators? If so, please point it out.
RickK
Abe Sokolov abesokolov@hotmail.com wrote: Re: "Hey - let's all calm down and take a deep breath. Now please be nice to one another!"
-- mav
I'm already calm, so I don't need to take a deep breath. I'm just sitting here at my desk, kind of tired after not getting much sleep, looking over some papers and research, checking e-mail in various accounts, checking news sites, and the like.
But I am fed up with Wikipedia, though, and especially people like Stan and Fred. I doubt that I'll be able to be nice to either of them until they stop spreading these lies about me being a Stalinist in order to attack my academic credibility. I've been donating so much time to Wikipedia over the course of the past 18 months, and I'm tired of the same clowns distorting the substance of what contribute to articles over and over again all the time.
Now, if Wikipedia's giving up on academic professionalism, I'll leave without much of a fuss. I have no problem bailing out on a lost cause.
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