With increasing hosting of images on commons, there arise vandalism concerns.
Images hosted on commons cannot be protected by admins from en.wikipedia. There are only about 25 admins on commons who are also active on en.wikipedia. The commons community has turned down several requests for adminship from en.wikipedia admins in good standing who wished to become admins at commons in order to deal with vandalism on commons that affected en. It is commons policy that significant involvement in commons in particular is a requirement for adminship, regardless of involvement in other projects.
Another problem area is that images on en: supercede those on commons with the same title. Therefore, an image protected on commons could be vandalised by uploading a vandalised image by the same name on en (Unless there is a technical solution to this that I am not aware of. I haven't tried it). Though cumbersome, an en admin could conceivably use this as a workaround for protecting images that have been vandalized on commons.
In general, I believe that there should be more trust and cooperation between the projects, to the point of having some process for fairly routine granting of commons adminship to en admins. This might be a situation where partial permissions -- protecting and unprotecting pages only but not blocking or deleting -- might make sense. A similar process should be in place for the other large wikipedias, such as de and fr.
I do note that there is an agreement to protect main page images that are on commons. My concern is with other prominent pages. The unexpected vandalism spree that accompanied the last U.S. presidential elections would be an example.
The Uninvited Co., Inc.
On 9/12/05, uninvited@nerstrand.net uninvited@nerstrand.net wrote:
Images hosted on commons cannot be protected by admins from en.wikipedia.
An admin on EN need simply download the image, upload it to EN, and protect. We even have a template, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:C-uploaded, for this issue.
Another problem area is that images on en: supercede those on commons with the same title. Therefore, an image protected on commons could be vandalised by uploading a vandalised image by the same name on en (Unless there is a technical solution to this that I am not aware of. I haven't tried it).
You edit the image page on EN (either leaving it blank, or applying the appropriate protection tag, like {{mprotected}}). Then protect on EN like normal. That stops non-admins from uploading to EN.
In general, I believe that there should be more trust and cooperation between the projects, to the point of having some process for fairly routine granting of commons adminship to en admins.
How about the reverse? Are we prepared to grand EN adminship to all Commons admins?
I do note that there is an agreement to protect main page images that are on commons. My concern is with other prominent pages. The unexpected vandalism spree that accompanied the last U.S. presidential elections would be an example.
As far as I know, the Commons is perfectly happy to protect images for other reasons. They even have a template, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Protected. I've never seen a request for protection on the Commons Village pump that wasn't honored.
[[User:Dbenbenn]], [[Commons:User:Dbenbenn]].
Why would protecting images on commons do anything, since the vandals can simply upload the images to EN?
I don't see why anyone who is not interested in the commons project should be an admin there.
David Benbennick dbenbenn@gmail.com schrieb/wrote:
On 9/12/05, uninvited@nerstrand.net uninvited@nerstrand.net wrote:
Images hosted on commons cannot be protected by admins from en.wikipedia.
An admin on EN need simply download the image, upload it to EN, and protect. We even have a template, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:C-uploaded, for this issue.
A technical solution where protecting an image from Commons on another Wikimedia project "just works" would be better. I.e. MediaWiki should automatically create a local copy when an image from Commons is protected and delete if when the protection is lifted.
Claus
On 9/12/05, uninvited@nerstrand.net uninvited@nerstrand.net wrote:
With increasing hosting of images on commons, there arise vandalism concerns.
Ever looked at the now commons backlog? The number of images on commons that we don't have local coppies of is pretty limited
On 12/09/05, uninvited@nerstrand.net uninvited@nerstrand.net wrote: The commons community has turned down several
requests for adminship from en.wikipedia admins in good standing who wished to become admins at commons in order to deal with vandalism on commons that affected en. It is commons policy that significant involvement in commons in particular is a requirement for adminship, regardless of involvement in other projects.
Any failures to gain commons adminship probably has more to do with the attitude of those applying then any general policy (I note that you failed in your application, uninvited).
It is not unreasonable to reject adminship requests made by those who have no interest in the well-being of the project. I was recently voted an admin unopposed despite having no uploads and very few edits - but I have actively fought image vandalism there.
Quite a number of other en.wp admins have also succeeded - because they did not simply "demand" adminship because they already have it elsewhere, but because they demonstrated that they care about the Commons.
Dan