In a message dated 8/13/2008 3:49:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, newyorkbrad@gmail.com writes:
I'd like you to go back to the Hornbeck/Ownby deletion discussion and re-read my lengthy comments there.>>
-------------------------------------- Just as an example. I might be "notable" if you simply count the number of times and places where you can find me mouthing off about something :)
But as far as I know, one hundred and twenty five newspapers across the country and in France, England, Canada and Guam didn't carry stories about me. I wasn't on Oprah, I didn't have a foundation named for me, and I didn't write a book about myself.
I'm sure you can see there's quite a bit of difference in the casual ability to "find out" about someone like You or I by pouring over public records, and the determined effort of those people like Barbara Bauer, Matt Sanchez, Shawn Hornbeck to make their name stand out in bright lights.
If you check the Shawn Hornbeck Foundation page you will find, that they are still active, at least as of a month ago. Still visiting various schools or what-have-you under their own name. Now any casual reader might say.... Well... Who IS Shawn Hornbeck.
We should be answering that question, instead of turning out the lights. That's my position. It applies to all questions of that sort, even if the subject hates the result.
Will Johnson
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On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 7:03 PM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/13/2008 3:49:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, newyorkbrad@gmail.com writes:
I'd like you to go back to the Hornbeck/Ownby deletion discussion and re-read my lengthy comments there.>>
Just as an example. I might be "notable" if you simply count the number of times and places where you can find me mouthing off about something :)
But as far as I know, one hundred and twenty five newspapers across the country and in France, England, Canada and Guam didn't carry stories about me. I wasn't on Oprah, I didn't have a foundation named for me, and I didn't write a book about myself.
I'm sure you can see there's quite a bit of difference in the casual ability to "find out" about someone like You or I by pouring over public records, and the determined effort of those people like Barbara Bauer, Matt Sanchez, Shawn Hornbeck to make their name stand out in bright lights.
If you check the Shawn Hornbeck Foundation page you will find, that they are still active, at least as of a month ago. Still visiting various schools or what-have-you under their own name. Now any casual reader might say.... Well... Who IS Shawn Hornbeck.
We should be answering that question, instead of turning out the lights. That's my position. It applies to all questions of that sort, even if the subject hates the result.
Will Johnson
The Hornbeck/Ownby deletion discussion (disclosure: I was the deleting administrator) included one of the most comprehensive deletion debates addressing these issues that I have seen. Rather than reiterate all the points that I and others made in the extensive dialog there (I have a particularly thorough, which is a euphemism for overlong, set of comments about halfway down the discussion), I will refer those interested to the DRV archive for May 28, 2007. My recollection is that you made some valid points and I acknowledged them as such, but then proceeded to weaken your better points by failing to acknowledge that the counterarguments had any validity at all, while in the process calling me various names.
Newyorkbrad