[crossposted to wikipedia-l] Brion Vibber wrote: Some say we need to buy another server, others say the developers need to speed up the code. I think we need to to both. We're growing very fast, but we could have grown even faster if we wouldn't have speed problems since far over a year now. It's not only that our editors could write more articles in fewer time, many articles don't get writen because people leave the project out of frustration or presumably more often don't even start editing. Many edits got lost because the server didn't respond or people didn't wait long enough. So the Wikimedia Foundation needs money to buy new servers. Besides waiting for donations I suggest that we take part in as many bookshop affiliate programs as possible. It doesn't have the downsides of banners, because it's totaly unobtrusive and neutral. Many Wikipedians would visit their favourite online bookstore through our site if they knew the foundation will profit from it. I can't predict how much money we will make in the end, but it's worth trying. Kurt

Anthere wrote: This is a good idea, but how to tell them?

Anthere <anthere6(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:20030714202149.67013.qmail@web41704.mail.yahoo.com: That is not I find but if you use something different people will not understand what you mean. I can live whit it. I find it normal that a article in the wrong language is deleted. But what a Wikipedia does whit that type of "articles" is their business. No need to involve the source-wikipedia. Why should the? Why should the Italian Wikipedia care for a article on the Engelish Wikipedia that is a google-translated article from the Italian Wikipedia? -- Contact: walter AT wikipedia.be Ook een artikeltje schrijven? WikipediaNL, de vrije GNU/FDL encyclopedie http://www.wikipedia.be

Anthere wrote: I've just seen this thread; I've put a reply to this on the talk page, but to spare people from switching windows; I tried looking around the Italian wikipedia, then gave up because I don't speak Italian. I was going to go back to it, but work intruded, and I figured everything was alright once I saw the Italian link on the page. There have been some attempts to clean up the translation, and the article looks to have promise as an English language article when done. I intended to do some more basic cleaning up of the text, but work intruded; I should be able to get back to it later today. I'll drop you a note when I've done what I can, maybe you can give it the finishing touches? Take care, Jimmy

Walter Vermeir wrote in part: I never say "international Wikipedia". I might say "Wikipedia is an international project.", but then this /includes/ the English version! There is a misunderstanding here. The article began on [[en:]], and it began in Italian. It was only Google-translated later on, for [[en:]]'s use. But [[it:]] might well want the /original/ article, which they didn't have before. So it's helpful to [[it:]] if the people on [[en:]], before deleting (or translating) the article, send it over to [[it:]], as a matter of courtesy. -- Toby