At http://world.std.com/obi/Biographical/ there's a copyleft list of 15,000 biography stubs (one-liners). It goes like this:
Abbot, Charles Greeley (C. G. Abbot) US astrophysicist; secy. of Smithsonian Institution 1928-1944 _1872-1973
I think we all agree to use that resource. But how?
1. As one (or multiple) long lists, with links to the appropriate article, so we can manually paste the stub into the article 2. As automatically generated stub for each non-existing article
#1 would not require much work, #2 would need one of the wiki-bots.
Thoughts? (I hope so;-)
Magnus
On 03/24/04 21:30, Magnus Manske wrote:
At http://world.std.com/obi/Biographical/ there's a copyleft list of 15,000 biography stubs (one-liners). It goes like this: Abbot, Charles Greeley (C. G. Abbot) US astrophysicist; secy. of Smithsonian Institution 1928-1944 _1872-1973
Looks good.
"Legal issues and disclaimers. All these files are copylefted. If you have any use for them, please use them. You are also free to make copies of them for yourself and make copies to be distributed free of charge to other people, provided that you include a copy of this README file and share copies of these files for free with anyone who asks you for them. The information in these files is not guaranteed to be accurate. No guarantee whatsoever is made as to the accuracy or usefulness of these files, and you use them entirely at your own risk. You can't sue me."
So if we put the README as a permission note, with a link on each article, we should be fine.
- As automatically generated stub for each non-existing article
#1 would not require much work, #2 would need one of the wiki-bots.
Are there a lot we wouldn't want? If not, dumping all in would be good. I don't see why not.
- d.
David Gerard wrote:
On 03/24/04 21:30, Magnus Manske wrote:
At http://world.std.com/obi/Biographical/ there's a copyleft list of 15,000 biography stubs (one-liners). It goes like this: Abbot, Charles Greeley (C. G. Abbot) US astrophysicist; secy. of Smithsonian Institution 1928-1944 _1872-1973
So if we put the README as a permission note, with a link on each article, we should be fine.
It's just a basic list so I don't think we even need to do that.
- As automatically generated stub for each non-existing article
#1 would not require much work, #2 would need one of the wiki-bots.
Are there a lot we wouldn't want? If not, dumping all in would be good. I don't see why not.
Letting a bot loose on this stuff could result in an awful lot of stubs for people to work on. Taking whole pages and wikifying them, then removing the items from the list once they have been done might make more sense - or we could merge them with similar existing lists of people to be written about.
Ec
"Legal issues and disclaimers. All these files are copylefted. If you have any use for them, please use them. You are also free to make copies of them for yourself and make copies to be distributed free of charge to other people, provided that you include a copy of this README file and share copies of these files for free with anyone who asks you for them.
IANAL, but it sounds to me like this is incompatible with GFDL, since this would only allow redistribution free of charge. Under GFDL, the documentation may be sold.
Quoting from the Wikipedia page on GFDL:
"Materials for which commercial redistribution is prohibited can not be used in a GFDL-licensed document, e.g. a Wikipedia article, because the license does not exclude commercial re-use. "
-Rich Holton (Rholton)
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Well, we can take this either by the letter: "If you have any use for them, please use them.". Did so. Or, we can use it in the way it appears to be ment, which seems to be indicated quite well by the word "copyleft".
Anyway, I wrote the original author a mail and asked for his explicit permission, to mail to me or to this list.
Magnus
Rich Holton wrote:
IANAL, but it sounds to me like this is incompatible with GFDL, since this would only allow redistribution free of charge. Under GFDL, the documentation may be sold.
It seems that we just went through this over the list of articles in the Columbia Encyclopedia, and decided that it was OK. This list is even less risky. Ec
Magnus Manske wrote:
Well, we can take this either by the letter: "If you have any use for them, please use them.". Did so. Or, we can use it in the way it appears to be ment, which seems to be indicated quite well by the word "copyleft".
Anyway, I wrote the original author a mail and asked for his explicit permission, to mail to me or to this list.
Magnus
Rich Holton wrote:
IANAL, but it sounds to me like this is incompatible with GFDL, since this would only allow redistribution free of charge. Under GFDL, the documentation may be sold.
Well, IANAL, nor am I a fanatic about this. I don't want this to become a major issue. But I will make a few comments:
CopyLeft is a much more general term. To say that something is Copyleft does not necessarily mean that it's compatible with GFDL.
I suppose we could use this list as "fair use". I suppose there may be some question as to whether such a list is copyrightable anyway. However, including a readme that specifically states that commercial redistribution is not allowed does not sound like a good idea to me.
Of course, if we get documented express permission, then that solves all problems. We'd better make sure the copyright holder understands GFDL.
-Rich
--- Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
It seems that we just went through this over the list of articles in the Columbia Encyclopedia, and decided that it was OK. This list is even less risky. Ec
Magnus Manske wrote:
Well, we can take this either by the letter: "If you have any use for them, please use
them.".
Did so. Or, we can use it in the way it appears to
be ment, which
seems to be indicated quite well by the word
"copyleft".
Anyway, I wrote the original author a mail and
asked for his explicit
permission, to mail to me or to this list.
Magnus
Rich Holton wrote:
IANAL, but it sounds to me like this is
incompatible
with GFDL, since this would only allow
redistribution
free of charge. Under GFDL, the documentation may
be
sold.
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Magnus Manske wrote:
At http://world.std.com/obi/Biographical/ there's a copyleft list of 15,000 biography stubs (one-liners). It goes like this:
Abbot, Charles Greeley (C. G. Abbot) US astrophysicist; secy. of Smithsonian Institution 1928-1944 _1872-1973
I think we all agree to use that resource. But how?
- As one (or multiple) long lists, with links to the appropriate
article, so we can manually paste the stub into the article 2. As automatically generated stub for each non-existing article
#1 would not require much work, #2 would need one of the wiki-bots.
#1 I think. We have a huge number of bios now, but not a full set of redirects for each variation on a name, so you'd likely end up with a huge number of duplicates, and inevitably people will start to "fill in" the dup, not realizing that a complete article exists already.
A semi-workaround for a bot might be to compute alternate name forms and see if they exist, although that won't help for multiple similar names. Sooner or later you'll have to determine identity by looking at dates and content, which seems like an easier activity to do from a list of free links + content than by undoing the mass effects of a bot.
Stan