I just noticed that WikiFanatic posted a transcript on the Jimbo v. Seigenthaler debate on CNN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WikiFanatic/Wales_interview_transcript
Although I was fascinated about it, I feel like that page is a copyvio because I know that all CNN broadcasts and video are copyrighted material...
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On 12/6/05, Zzyzx11 at Wikipedia zzyzx11@hotmail.com wrote:
I just noticed that WikiFanatic posted a transcript on the Jimbo v. Seigenthaler debate on CNN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WikiFanatic/Wales_interview_transcript
Although I was fascinated about it, I feel like that page is a copyvio because I know that all CNN broadcasts and video are copyrighted material...
Zzyzx11 at en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zzyzx11 zzyzx11@hotmail.com
But they included a copy of the Wikipedia disclaimer, so the broadcast was automatically released under the GFDL, right?</sarcasm>
I think this is a clear case of fair use. It serves a public purpose. There is a problem and we all need to hear about it.
Fred
On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:57 PM, Zzyzx11 at Wikipedia wrote:
I just noticed that WikiFanatic posted a transcript on the Jimbo v. Seigenthaler debate on CNN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WikiFanatic/ Wales_interview_transcript
Although I was fascinated about it, I feel like that page is a copyvio because I know that all CNN broadcasts and video are copyrighted material...
Zzyzx11 at en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zzyzx11 zzyzx11@hotmail.com
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On 6 Dec 2005, at 13:42, Fred Bauder wrote:
I think this is a clear case of fair use. It serves a public purpose. There is a problem and we all need to hear about it.
fair use says nothing about public purpose. Now a few excerpts would be ok, but not the whole thing. You can hear about it from CNN.
Justinc
On 12/6/05, Justin Cormack justin@specialbusservice.com wrote:
On 6 Dec 2005, at 13:42, Fred Bauder wrote:
I think this is a clear case of fair use. It serves a public purpose. There is a problem and we all need to hear about it.
fair use says nothing about public purpose. Now a few excerpts would be ok, but not the whole thing. You can hear about it from CNN.
Actually, a number of copyright law commentators have suggested that "public purpose" may be a legitimate restriction on exclusive rights, as a form of "fair use". The claim was raised inartfully in RTC v. Henson, but I don't believe the court ever ruled on the merits of that claim (mainly because Henson is a freaking idiot).
Kelly
Kelly
Yes, but this BOLD argument has largely been dismissed in favor of the CAUTIOUS argument which says 'we just dont want to find out what "a court" (i.e. a U.S. court) might say on the fair use issue, so we are going to exercise extreme cautious in our application of fair use, in any property-infringement claims.
Wikipedia's philosophy is like Debian's, which for sake of purity will avoid loading Java, Flash player, etc, and thereby will lose substantial end-user 'marketshare' to slick sub-distros like Ubuntu and Mepis. Simply tagging fair use (should we going to prune 'fair use' of text too?) would suffice, if such would be integrated with the means to strip the 'non-free' matter from the 'free' version. The non-free could even be a patch to the 'free' distro.
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--- Kelly Martin kelly.lynn.martin@gmail.com wrote:
fair use says nothing about public purpose. Now a
few excerpts would
be ok, but not the whole thing. You can hear about it from CNN.
Actually, a number of copyright law commentators
have suggested that
"public purpose" may be a legitimate restriction on
exclusive rights,
as a form of "fair use". The claim was raised
inartfully in RTC v.
Henson, but I don't believe the court ever ruled on
the merits of that
claim (mainly because Henson is a freaking idiot).
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Kelly Martin wrote:
On 12/6/05, Justin Cormack justin@specialbusservice.com wrote:
On 6 Dec 2005, at 13:42, Fred Bauder wrote:
I think this is a clear case of fair use. It serves a public purpose. There is a problem and we all need to hear about it.
fair use says nothing about public purpose. Now a few excerpts would be ok, but not the whole thing. You can hear about it from CNN.
Actually, a number of copyright law commentators have suggested that "public purpose" may be a legitimate restriction on exclusive rights, as a form of "fair use". The claim was raised inartfully in RTC v. Henson, but I don't believe the court ever ruled on the merits of that claim (mainly because Henson is a freaking idiot).
The other factor is that the material is personal to Wikipedia. This would give us arguments for using it that would not be available to others. CNN would only have a legitimate claim on Kyra Phillips part of the conversation since she is their employee. Jimbo can still release his part of the conversation under GFDL. For that matter, so can Seigenthaler. I don't think that CNN would want this kind of fight.
Ec
Does Wikipedia allow fair use text? Does it allow fair use outside the article space? How is it clear case? Simply serving a public purpose is not enough.
On another note, I'm interested in seeing the next interview after Seigenthaler sees what is written about him on Jimbo's other site: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/John_Seigenthaler_Sr
"Seigenthaler was promptly fired in 1963 for his role in planning, carrying out, and covering up the JFK Assassination, and is even thought by some madmen to have supplied Oswald and Castro with silver bullets to kill the werewolf-president."
Anthony
On 12/6/05, Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net wrote:
I think this is a clear case of fair use. It serves a public purpose. There is a problem and we all need to hear about it.
Fred
On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:57 PM, Zzyzx11 at Wikipedia wrote:
I just noticed that WikiFanatic posted a transcript on the Jimbo v. Seigenthaler debate on CNN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WikiFanatic/ Wales_interview_transcript
Although I was fascinated about it, I feel like that page is a copyvio because I know that all CNN broadcasts and video are copyrighted material...
Zzyzx11 at en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zzyzx11 zzyzx11@hotmail.com
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The fair use debate is something of a moot point; CNN produces its own transcripts quite punctually: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/05/lol.02.html
--SJ, uncyclopedia fan
On 12/6/05, Anthony DiPierro wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
Does Wikipedia allow fair use text? Does it allow fair use outside the article space? How is it clear case? Simply serving a public purpose is not enough.
Sure, we use "fair use text" but that means "quotations" and not wholesale copying. We're allowed to write an article about the interview, describing and even quoting from it when relevant but we're not allowed to just copy and re-print the entire interview.
FF
On 12/6/05, Anthony DiPierro wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
Does Wikipedia allow fair use text? Does it allow fair use outside the article space? How is it clear case? Simply serving a public purpose is not enough.
On another note, I'm interested in seeing the next interview after Seigenthaler sees what is written about him on Jimbo's other site: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/John_Seigenthaler_Sr
"Seigenthaler was promptly fired in 1963 for his role in planning, carrying out, and covering up the JFK Assassination, and is even thought by some madmen to have supplied Oswald and Castro with silver bullets to kill the werewolf-president."
Anthony
On 12/6/05, Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net wrote:
I think this is a clear case of fair use. It serves a public purpose. There is a problem and we all need to hear about it.
Fred
On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:57 PM, Zzyzx11 at Wikipedia wrote:
I just noticed that WikiFanatic posted a transcript on the Jimbo v. Seigenthaler debate on CNN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WikiFanatic/ Wales_interview_transcript
Although I was fascinated about it, I feel like that page is a copyvio because I know that all CNN broadcasts and video are copyrighted material...
Zzyzx11 at en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zzyzx11 zzyzx11@hotmail.com
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Well, I take what I said back, although I am still not sure that it is not fair use due to its undoubted usefulness to the Wikipedia community. I would call it an educational use.
Fred
On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:41 AM, Fastfission wrote:
Sure, we use "fair use text" but that means "quotations" and not wholesale copying. We're allowed to write an article about the interview, describing and even quoting from it when relevant but we're not allowed to just copy and re-print the entire interview.
FF
On 12/6/05, Anthony DiPierro wikilegal@inbox.org wrote:
Does Wikipedia allow fair use text? Does it allow fair use outside the article space? How is it clear case? Simply serving a public purpose is not enough.
On another note, I'm interested in seeing the next interview after Seigenthaler sees what is written about him on Jimbo's other site: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/John_Seigenthaler_Sr
"Seigenthaler was promptly fired in 1963 for his role in planning, carrying out, and covering up the JFK Assassination, and is even thought by some madmen to have supplied Oswald and Castro with silver bullets to kill the werewolf-president."
Anthony
On 12/6/05, Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net wrote:
I think this is a clear case of fair use. It serves a public purpose. There is a problem and we all need to hear about it.
Fred
On Dec 5, 2005, at 11:57 PM, Zzyzx11 at Wikipedia wrote:
I just noticed that WikiFanatic posted a transcript on the Jimbo v. Seigenthaler debate on CNN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WikiFanatic/ Wales_interview_transcript
Although I was fascinated about it, I feel like that page is a copyvio because I know that all CNN broadcasts and video are copyrighted material...
Zzyzx11 at en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Zzyzx11 zzyzx11@hotmail.com
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