I just spent the better part of ten minutes searching for an admin on IRC to have something deleted while I was handling an OTRS ticket. Is there a channel that the en wiki admins hang out where folks from foundation, volunteers working OTRS, et cetera can go to contact an admin in real time if something needs deleted? If not, I might suggest a new channel. Thoughts?
./scream
There's #wikimedia-otrs and #wikipedia-en. Most admins have !admin stalked.
--John Reaves
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:31 AM, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
I just spent the better part of ten minutes searching for an admin on IRC to have something deleted while I was handling an OTRS ticket. Is there a channel that the en wiki admins hang out where folks from foundation, volunteers working OTRS, et cetera can go to contact an admin in real time if something needs deleted? If not, I might suggest a new channel. Thoughts?
./scream
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John Reaves wrote:
There's #wikimedia-otrs and #wikipedia-en. Most admins have !admin stalked.
--John Reaves
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:31 AM, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
I just spent the better part of ten minutes searching for an admin on IRC to have something deleted while I was handling an OTRS ticket. Is there a channel that the en wiki admins hang out where folks from foundation, volunteers working OTRS, et cetera can go to contact an admin in real time if something needs deleted? If not, I might suggest a new channel. Thoughts?
./scream
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tried that, and regular #wikipedia - no takers.
./screamer
On 27/02/2008, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
John Reaves wrote:
There's #wikimedia-otrs and #wikipedia-en. Most admins have !admin stalked.
tried that, and regular #wikipedia - no takers.
If you can't find any on the normal IRC channels who're free to do something, then it doesn't seem likely you'll manage to conjure up a handful by going anywhere else! Sometimes, there's just no-one around willing to be nagged...
(& the more special contact methods you develop, the less efficient any of them are)
Andrew Gray wrote:
On 27/02/2008, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
John Reaves wrote:
There's #wikimedia-otrs and #wikipedia-en. Most admins have !admin stalked.
tried that, and regular #wikipedia - no takers.
If you can't find any on the normal IRC channels who're free to do something, then it doesn't seem likely you'll manage to conjure up a handful by going anywhere else! Sometimes, there's just no-one around willing to be nagged...
(& the more special contact methods you develop, the less efficient any of them are)
This makes sense. Question: Does the freenode setup allow someone to "Knock" on the -admins channel. I could see someone knocking, entering, handling business, and promptly leaving. How does this sound?
./screaM
I think knocking only works if people in the channel are opped, so no.
--John Reaves
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
Andrew Gray wrote:
On 27/02/2008, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
John Reaves wrote:
There's #wikimedia-otrs and #wikipedia-en. Most admins have !admin
stalked.
tried that, and regular #wikipedia - no takers.
If you can't find any on the normal IRC channels who're free to do something, then it doesn't seem likely you'll manage to conjure up a handful by going anywhere else! Sometimes, there's just no-one around willing to be nagged...
(& the more special contact methods you develop, the less efficient any of them are)
This makes sense. Question: Does the freenode setup allow someone to "Knock" on the -admins channel. I could see someone knocking, entering, handling business, and promptly leaving. How does this sound?
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I'm really surprised that you couldn't get anybody in #wikipedia-en . In the future, all I would suggest is going there and doing !admin . It is very odd that nobody responded to you. They (myself included) are usually there.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:29 AM, John Reaves johnjreaves@gmail.com wrote:
I think knocking only works if people in the channel are opped, so no.
--John Reaves
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
Andrew Gray wrote:
On 27/02/2008, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
John Reaves wrote:
There's #wikimedia-otrs and #wikipedia-en. Most admins have !admin
stalked.
tried that, and regular #wikipedia - no takers.
If you can't find any on the normal IRC channels who're free to do something, then it doesn't seem likely you'll manage to conjure up a handful by going anywhere else! Sometimes, there's just no-one around willing to be nagged...
(& the more special contact methods you develop, the less efficient any of them are)
This makes sense. Question: Does the freenode setup allow someone to "Knock" on the -admins channel. I could see someone knocking, entering, handling business, and promptly leaving. How does this sound?
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On 27/02/2008, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
I just spent the better part of ten minutes searching for an admin on IRC to have something deleted while I was handling an OTRS ticket. Is there a channel that the en wiki admins hang out where folks from foundation, volunteers working OTRS, et cetera can go to contact an admin in real time if something needs deleted? If not, I might suggest a new channel. Thoughts?
If you're trustworthy and qualified enough for OTRS access, why don't you just become an admin yourself? Seems easier to have only admins doing OTRS than to have a special way for them to contact admins.
Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 27/02/2008, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
I just spent the better part of ten minutes searching for an admin on IRC to have something deleted while I was handling an OTRS ticket. Is there a channel that the en wiki admins hang out where folks from foundation, volunteers working OTRS, et cetera can go to contact an admin in real time if something needs deleted? If not, I might suggest a new channel. Thoughts?
If you're trustworthy and qualified enough for OTRS access, why don't you just become an admin yourself? Seems easier to have only admins doing OTRS than to have a special way for them to contact admins.
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It would be easier for me if we had a way to contact en.wiki admins. I don't have nearly enough history to become an admin, and I don't have the inclination to serve in such a public way, at this time. I am suggesting that perhaps we develop a way to easily contact en.wiki, that does not include folks having to go thru gauntlet rfa.
respectfully,
./scream
I assumed he was trusted on a different project.
--John Reaves
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have nearly enough history to become an admin
Then how did you get OTRS access?
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
I don't have nearly enough history to become an admin
Then how did you get OTRS access?
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Just to clarify: I don't have enough history on the English Wikipedia project to become an admin on the English Wikipedia. :) I apologize for the misunderstanding. You are welcome to email me for more details, I prefer to be a private person.
./scream
I'm surprised. In #wikipedia-en, admins and non-admins alike fall over each other attempting to answer the !admin call. #wikipedia is always lazier :) Sorry you couldn't get help in time.
Sometimes people can be trusted with access without being able to pass an RfA. (A particularly recent RfA springs to mind.) Anyway, it doesn't seem like a conversation to be conducted on the list.
Nathan
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
I don't have nearly enough history to become an admin
Then how did you get OTRS access?
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Typically using the !admin stalkword in #wikipedia or #wikipedia-en is your best bet, I think.
I think you're also more likely to get a response if you indicate what you're looking for help with. "I need an admin," may be less effective than "I need an admin to block a vandal," or "I need an admin to help with an OTRS ticket. Can PM." Some people want to know what they're getting into, or maybe it just gets their attention better; I couldn't say for sure, it's just a trend I've noticed, off and on.
There was a #wikimedia-admin channel at some point, designed to be a one-stop-shop for admins from all Wikimedia projects; not sure if it's still active.
-Luna
You could just post at WP:AN...
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Luna lunasantin@gmail.com wrote:
Typically using the !admin stalkword in #wikipedia or #wikipedia-en is your best bet, I think.
I think you're also more likely to get a response if you indicate what you're looking for help with. "I need an admin," may be less effective than "I need an admin to block a vandal," or "I need an admin to help with an OTRS ticket. Can PM." Some people want to know what they're getting into, or maybe it just gets their attention better; I couldn't say for sure, it's just a trend I've noticed, off and on.
There was a #wikimedia-admin channel at some point, designed to be a one-stop-shop for admins from all Wikimedia projects; not sure if it's still active.
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On 28/02/2008, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
You could just post at WP:AN...
How does posting at WP:AN in any way maintain the confidentiality with which OTRS communications are meant to be treated?
~Mark Ryan
What I meant was that you could ask someone at AN to contact you on IRC on email. The issue is getting admin attention, right?
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Mark Ryan ultrablue@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/02/2008, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
You could just post at WP:AN...
How does posting at WP:AN in any way maintain the confidentiality with which OTRS communications are meant to be treated?
~Mark Ryan
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On 28/02/2008, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
What I meant was that you could ask someone at AN to contact you on IRC on email. The issue is getting admin attention, right?
Yeah, true that. But it still leads to off-wiki communications, so it's no more or less transparent than going on IRC and private messaging the first admin to respond.
~Mark Ryan
True, the only issue is, as noted above, that some admins on IRC may not care/may not want to respond. AN people, I'd argue, are more likely to if they comment initially.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Mark Ryan ultrablue@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/02/2008, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
What I meant was that you could ask someone at AN to contact you on IRC
on
email. The issue is getting admin attention, right?
Yeah, true that. But it still leads to off-wiki communications, so it's no more or less transparent than going on IRC and private messaging the first admin to respond.
~Mark Ryan
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On 28/02/2008, Mark Ryan ultrablue@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/02/2008, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
What I meant was that you could ask someone at AN to contact you on IRC
on
email. The issue is getting admin attention, right?
Yeah, true that. But it still leads to off-wiki communications, so it's no more or less transparent than going on IRC and private messaging the first admin to respond.
~Mark Ryan
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Off -wiki communications are ALWAYS a bad thing - trust me on this folks!
er... whoops.
Luna wrote:
Typically using the !admin stalkword in #wikipedia or #wikipedia-en is your best bet, I think.
I think you're also more likely to get a response if you indicate what you're looking for help with. "I need an admin," may be less effective than "I need an admin to block a vandal," or "I need an admin to help with an OTRS ticket. Can PM." Some people want to know what they're getting into, or maybe it just gets their attention better; I couldn't say for sure, it's just a trend I've noticed, off and on.
There was a #wikimedia-admin channel at some point, designed to be a one-stop-shop for admins from all Wikimedia projects; not sure if it's still active.
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I like this idea. It seems that it would work. Active admins could join here and idle in channel, in wait. :) How do we set it up?
./scream
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
Luna wrote:
There was a #wikimedia-admin channel at some point, designed to be a one-stop-shop for admins from all Wikimedia projects; not sure if it's still active.
I like this idea. It seems that it would work. Active admins could join here and idle in channel, in wait. :) How do we set it up?
I still like my idea of a Wikimedia-run Jabber server better. :)
Wikipedia could even integrate with it directly. Users could click a button and page an active admin, who would get a link to their talk page, etc.
Chris Howie wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
Luna wrote:
There was a #wikimedia-admin channel at some point, designed to be a one-stop-shop for admins from all Wikimedia projects; not sure if it's still active.
I like this idea. It seems that it would work. Active admins could join here and idle in channel, in wait. :) How do we set it up?
I still like my idea of a Wikimedia-run Jabber server better. :)
Wikipedia could even integrate with it directly. Users could click a button and page an active admin, who would get a link to their talk page, etc.
I'm not sure if Wikimedia is going to host any chat anything. I have a few servers here, but I'm not all that up on Jabber, or MySQL as it would appear to require.
Honestly, I think perhaps I was trying to page an admin, at 6 AM local here in the us, and no one was awake hardly. Just bad timing, and maybe an isolated event. If it happens again, I'll think of a solution and propose it.
./scream
On 28/02/2008, Screamer scream@datascreamer.com wrote:
Luna wrote:
Typically using the !admin stalkword in #wikipedia or #wikipedia-en is your best bet, I think.
I think you're also more likely to get a response if you indicate what you're looking for help with. "I need an admin," may be less effective than "I need an admin to block a vandal," or "I need an admin to help with an OTRS ticket. Can PM." Some people want to know what they're getting into, or maybe it just gets their attention better; I couldn't say for sure, it's just a trend I've noticed, off and on.
There was a #wikimedia-admin channel at some point, designed to be a one-stop-shop for admins from all Wikimedia projects; not sure if it's still active.
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I like this idea. It seems that it would work. Active admins could join here and idle in channel, in wait. :) How do we set it up?
./scream
It is exists but for various reasons is little used.