From: Louis Kyu Won Ryu lazolla@hotmail.com
The expression "Raising Cain," meaning literally to bring Cain back from the dead, is a metaphor for making trouble and dissent.
There was not really trouble and dissent upon the discussion over the Mediator idea. There were things to discuss and fix. I think that in the whole subject, those who have brought the more dissent are not the ones so labelled. I also think that provoking dissent over a person is just a nice way to shut down a discussion over an idea.
Louis, you are heavy and you have an
interpretation of
other people words I do not agree with. Believe in good faith
Sorry to be anything other than a source of light for you, Anthere.
Believe me, I would prefer that everybody around here is a source of light for me.
I
know there was some value in what User:Mediator was doing, but I found hir words to lack sincerity in a number of places, the "simple English" recommendation being only one of them. After all, it takes greater skill with langauge to limit vocabulary than it does to write in flowery metaphorical prose.
I would like to add that I am perhaps better placed to have understood the suggestion made than english speakers. I did not read it as criticism.
It was my understanding non-english speakers were welcome to the simple wikipedia. If not, I would like Angela to confirm it, so we can change the rules of the simple accordingly.
And I truly believe that the
only goal of User:Mediator was to disrupt.
You are entitled your opinion
I did read through the entirety of your contribution at User_talk:Mediator. There is much value in what you say about conflict resolution generally, and I hope your ideas will work their way into whatever mechanism does indeed come about.
Yup. Let's hope someone has the courage to do so in spite of the weight that these ideas carry now.
In the current case, I don't think mediation was a great success :-)
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Anthere wrote:
It was my understanding non-english speakers were welcome to the simple wikipedia. If not, I would like Angela to confirm it, so we can change the rules of the simple accordingly.
Huh? Me? Since when did I become GodKing? I have absolutely no say whatsoever over who contributes to Simple. I'd kind of assumed that anyone was welcome to contribute anywhere if they were serious about creating an encyclopedia, and willing to adhere to NPOV, the GFDL and Wikilove.
Anthere wrote:
I also think that provoking dissent over a person is just a nice way to shut down a discussion over an idea.
This doesn't shut down the discussion. It can (and should) continue at [[Wikipedia:Mediation and Arbitration (proposal)]] where it was originally.
Louis wrote:
And I truly believe that the only goal of
User:Mediator was to disrupt. Anthere wrote:
You are entitled your opinion
I think his aim was more to twist policy to fit his own goals, but that's just my opinion.
Angela.
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