On 4/4/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
I've seen 7 in a row on a private mailing list I administer...
I've never really understood why mailing list softaware can't/won't/don't strip them out automatically. It's not as if the regexp to do is complicated.
Steve
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Because any modification of the message post-sending would royally screw any digital signing of the message (which me, Alphax, and a couple of other people use on this list) which relies on a hash computed at the time of sending by the user's encryption program
Cynical
Steve Bennett wrote:
On 4/4/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
I've seen 7 in a row on a private mailing list I administer...
I've never really understood why mailing list softaware can't/won't/don't strip them out automatically. It's not as if the regexp to do is complicated.
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On 4/4/06, David Alexander Russell webmaster@davidarussell.co.uk wrote:
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Because any modification of the message post-sending would royally screw any digital signing of the message (which me, Alphax, and a couple of other people use on this list) which relies on a hash computed at the time of sending by the user's encryption program
Heh, in this case, there is no problem - anyone likely to use PGP to sign their messages is extremely unlikely to forget to trim their message footers. And the worst case scenario is that you do forget to trim a message footer, it gets done for you, and someone's mail reader says "this PGP message does not compute" and checks with you.
So, a small number of messages from a small number of users would cause a small problem.
Steve the quantifier
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True - but could I add that if everyone put their message ABOVE the quoted text, rather than below, then this issue would be moot anyway (since we wouldn't need to go through the endless footers in order to get to the message)
Cynical
Steve Bennett wrote:
On 4/4/06, David Alexander Russell webmaster@davidarussell.co.uk wrote:
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Because any modification of the message post-sending would royally screw any digital signing of the message (which me, Alphax, and a couple of other people use on this list) which relies on a hash computed at the time of sending by the user's encryption program
Heh, in this case, there is no problem - anyone likely to use PGP to sign their messages is extremely unlikely to forget to trim their message footers. And the worst case scenario is that you do forget to trim a message footer, it gets done for you, and someone's mail reader says "this PGP message does not compute" and checks with you.
So, a small number of messages from a small number of users would cause a small problem.
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David Alexander Russell wrote:
Steve Bennett wrote:
On 4/4/06, David Alexander Russell webmaster@davidarussell.co.uk wrote:
Because any modification of the message post-sending would royally screw any digital signing of the message (which me, Alphax, and a couple of other people use on this list) which relies on a hash computed at the time of sending by the user's encryption program
Heh, in this case, there is no problem - anyone likely to use PGP to sign their messages is extremely unlikely to forget to trim their message footers. And the worst case scenario is that you do forget to trim a message footer, it gets done for you, and someone's mail reader says "this PGP message does not compute" and checks with you.
So, a small number of messages from a small number of users would cause a small problem.
True - but could I add that if everyone put their message ABOVE the quoted text, rather than below, then this issue would be moot anyway (since we wouldn't need to go through the endless footers in order to get to the message)
A: Yes.
Q: Are you sure?
A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
Why does bottom posting suck?
On 4/4/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) alphasigmax@gmail.com wrote:
David Alexander Russell wrote:
Steve Bennett wrote:
On 4/4/06, David Alexander Russell webmaster@davidarussell.co.uk wrote:
Because any modification of the message post-sending would royally screw any digital signing of the message (which me, Alphax, and a couple of other people use on this list) which relies on a hash computed at the time of sending by the user's encryption program
Heh, in this case, there is no problem - anyone likely to use PGP to sign their messages is extremely unlikely to forget to trim their message footers. And the worst case scenario is that you do forget to trim a message footer, it gets done for you, and someone's mail reader says "this PGP message does not compute" and checks with you.
So, a small number of messages from a small number of users would cause a small problem.
True - but could I add that if everyone put their message ABOVE the quoted text, rather than below, then this issue would be moot anyway (since we wouldn't need to go through the endless footers in order to get to the message)
A: Yes.
Q: Are you sure?
A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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Because you had to wade your way through all that crap just for this stupid remark. Ok, let's move on, shall we?
Steve
G'day Steve,
Why does bottom posting suck?
<snip stuff some silly sausage forgot to snip />
Because you had to wade your way through all that crap just for this stupid remark. Ok, let's move on, shall we?
Naw, hang about a bit. Nobody's actually stupid enough to literally bottom-post without snipping anything ... well, some people are, I guess, but what do you expect? They're made of straw.
Top-posters don't snip. Also, they eat kittens and have scaly skin. Bottom-bosters (also known as "interleavers" or "the chosen ones") snip, smell really nice, and are good friends in time of need. Remember that.
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David Alexander Russell wrote:
Because any modification of the message post-sending would royally screw any digital signing of the message (which me, Alphax, and a couple of other people use on this list) which relies on a hash computed at the time of sending by the user's encryption program
For what it's worth my mail client (Thunderbird with the EnigMail plugin) figures it out just fine. It highlights the part of the message that has been signed. On this list, that doesn't include the footer.
- -- Ben McIlwain ("Cyde Weys")
~ Sub veste quisque nudus est ~
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Yes (incidentally I'm using Thunderbird with Enigmail too) but my point was that if the mailing list _server_ stripped out the footers _after_ the user had signed the message, if the footers were included in the signed part of the message (most packages, Enigmail included afaik, sign the entire message by default including any quoted part of replies) then the signature would return an error by checked by the user at the other end
Cynical
Ben McIlwain wrote:
David Alexander Russell wrote:
Because any modification of the message post-sending would royally screw any digital signing of the message (which me, Alphax, and a couple of other people use on this list) which relies on a hash computed at the time of sending by the user's encryption program
For what it's worth my mail client (Thunderbird with the EnigMail plugin) figures it out just fine. It highlights the part of the message that has been signed. On this list, that doesn't include the footer.
-- Ben McIlwain ("Cyde Weys")
~ Sub veste quisque nudus est ~
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