Well, as long as Tim Starling has his user-name-changebot warmed up and ready to go to work, there's no sense in stopping with our friend Mr. Jesus_Is_Lord!. Why, there are any number of user names that someone might find just as offensive.
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Hephaestos - Some Hedonists might take offense at someone claiming the name of the greek God of the forge. Clearly this user's name is no more appropriate than a name like Jesus, Budda, God, or Allah.
DanKeshet - Obviously we're making fun of people whose pronunciation of German is poor.
Mydogategodshat - Two readings here, my/dog/ate/gods/hat and my/dog/ate/god/shat. Both unacceptable.
Christian - Yes it's the fellow's name, but it says in the policy, "No one has a right to any particular user name. While colorful, interesting, or expressive names may add to the pleasure of Wikipedia, they are not essential. This might include legitimate names..." So, he'll have to think of something else.
Jesus Saves! - a recent arrival deserving the dustbin.
Evil saltine - Offensive because it's, well, evil. And defamatory to cracker makers.
Cimon avaro - Let's capitalize properly, now, shall we?
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Look, folks, the policy was put in place because of TMC. Neither JesusIsLord nor any of the rest rise to that level. Can we give that writer some space, rather than being so heavy-handed? Are those non-Christians among us so insecure in their beliefs that they would fight this benign expression of religious sentiment?
I suggest that someone remove the vote presently taking place. Let's forget about this, and odds are that whoever is using the JesusIsLord username for homophobic alter ego will lose interest in it and move on.
Louis
Louis wrote (in part):
Well, as long as Tim Starling has his user-name-changebot warmed up and ready to go to work, there's no sense in stopping with our friend Mr. Jesus_Is_Lord!. Why, there are any number of user names that someone might find just as offensive.
Mydogategodshat - Two readings here, my/dog/ate/gods/hat and my/dog/ate/god/shat. Both unacceptable.
I /do/ feel this one is unacceptable, and said so when it was first discussed in May. If feel it is directly comparable with our old friend the radioactive chicken.
I suggest that someone remove the vote presently taking place. Let's forget about this, and odds are that whoever is using the JesusIsLord username for homophobic alter ego will lose interest in it and move on.
This is a good point, and is partly the reason I didn't push the point then. The other part being that, while I dislike the user name, I don't feel it is a big enough issue to shout about.
I feel pretty much the same way with "Jesus is Lord!"
Regards
sannse
At 02:53 PM 10/8/2003, sannse wrote:
Louis wrote (in part):
Mydogategodshat - Two readings here, my/dog/ate/gods/hat and my/dog/ate/god/shat. Both unacceptable.
I /do/ feel this one is unacceptable, and said so when it was first discussed in May. If feel it is directly comparable with our old friend the radioactive chicken.
OK, this is the old argument from the Request for Adminship page...
Can someone PLEASE explain to me what is offensive about that username? My Dog Ate God's Hat. It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense, sure, but offensive? Please...
And don't complain about how some people could interpret it the other way... that other way also makes no sense and is grammatically shaky to boot.
Should we force JT not to use his nickname because some people might think the "fear" part of "fearÉIREANN" was the imperative mood of the verb "fear" and an instruction that they should fear him? Please....
----- Dante Alighieri dalighieri@digitalgrapefruit.com
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of great moral crisis." -Dante Alighieri, 1265-1321
Dante Alighieri wrote:
Louis wrote (in part):
Mydogategodshat - Two readings here, my/dog/ate/gods/hat and my/dog/ate/god/shat. Both unacceptable.
I /do/ feel this one is unacceptable, and said so when it was first discussed in May. If feel it is directly comparable with our old friend the radioactive chicken.
Can someone PLEASE explain to me what is offensive about that username? My Dog Ate God's Hat. It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense, sure, but offensive? Please...
Things about that name were quiet for a while; I thought he was long gone. I'm certainly not offended by it. I find it does make its own kind of sense in a Monty Python kind of way. :-)
Ec
Dante wrote:
OK, this is the old argument from the Request for Adminship page...
Can someone PLEASE explain to me what is offensive about that username? My Dog Ate God's Hat. It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense, sure, but offensive? Please...
And don't complain about how some people could interpret it the other way... that other way also makes no sense and is grammatically shaky to
boot.
Should we force JT not to use his nickname because some people might think the "fear" part of "fearÉIREANN" was the imperative mood of the verb
"fear"
and an instruction that they should fear him? Please....
I didn't see the argument there, I only saw the short discussion on the list. But my answer would be: the user name is /not/ "My Dog Ate God's Hat", it's "Mydogategodshat". I would have no objection to the first, the second can easily be (mis?)read and IMO is rather offensive.
But, that said, I won't press the point further. I understand that most people /don't/ find it offensive, and my objection is not strong enough to shout about.
Regards,
sannse
(p.s. I think I'm pretty looped tonight - please add into this message all appropriate smiley faces, expressions of good intent and other signs of non-argumentativeness (if that's a word) - Ta).
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Dante Alighieri wrote:
At 02:53 PM 10/8/2003, sannse wrote:
Louis wrote (in part):
Mydogategodshat - Two readings here, my/dog/ate/gods/hat and my/dog/ate/god/shat. Both unacceptable.
I /do/ feel this one is unacceptable, and said so when it was first discussed in May. If feel it is directly comparable with our old friend the radioactive chicken.
OK, this is the old argument from the Request for Adminship page...
Can someone PLEASE explain to me what is offensive about that username? My Dog Ate God's Hat. It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense, sure, but offensive? Please...
FWIW, I had a brief exchange with the user in question. He was concerned that some members of Wikipedia didn't like using tables in articles, & was concerned that I might get in trouble for adding them to the series of Roman Emperor articles. From exchanging comments in each other's Talk: pages, my impression is that he's maybe a little naive, maybe worried about how people treat each other on Wikipedia, but most likely honest & sincere.
Out of curiousity, has anyone simply *asked* him what the point of his username is? I wouldn't be surprised if it's nothing more than a goofy, absurd bit of humor.
And don't complain about how some people could interpret it the other way... that other way also makes no sense and is grammatically shaky to boot.
Should we force JT not to use his nickname because some people might think the "fear" part of "fear�IREANN" was the imperative mood of the verb "fear" and an instruction that they should fear him? Please....
And for the record, the 3rd person declension of the Latin word ``facere" sounds an awful lot like an English obscenity (at least the way my Latin professor used to pronounce it). Should we also worry about someone using the string ``facit" in a username?
My point is that sometimes our worry for offensive names makes us too cautious. ISTR a Science Fiction story, in the usual space opera setting, where the point was made that names for the Galactic Federation spaceships had to be carefully selected to avoid an obscenity or sacrilegious phrase in the major languages of the member planets.
Geoff
Geoff Burling wrote (in part)
Out of curiousity, has anyone simply *asked* him what the point of his username is? I wouldn't be surprised if it's nothing more than a goofy, absurd bit of humor.
There is a discussion about it on his user page:
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mydogategodshat
I think you are right - there is no intent to offend
Regards
sannse
With regard to Mydogategodshat, what about just changing it to capitalized form (MyDogAteGodsHat)? Minimal changing, just enough to disambiguate...
-- Jake
From: "Jake Nelson" jnelson@soncom.com
With regard to Mydogategodshat, what about just changing it to capitalized form (MyDogAteGodsHat)? Minimal changing, just enough to disambiguate...
-- Jake
With lower case my eyes keep getting drawn to the ends of the text, namely Mydog and shat mydogategodshat which begs the reading "my dog ate; go'd'shat." Which might be be understood as slang as "my dog has eaten and goes to do a defecation.."
Using caps judiciously makes that reading difficult to support and appears not to offend the user's intention.
Alex756
Jake Nelson wrote:
With regard to Mydogategodshat, what about just changing it to capitalized form (MyDogAteGodsHat)? Minimal changing, just enough to disambiguate...
The problem with that is that it would then lose its clever Monty-Pythonesque ambiguity which lies just as much in the work that you need to do to be able to figure it out.
Ec