As a Jewish person, I don't like Naziism one bit. I do recognize that Nazis are folks like you and me. Nonetheless, my distaste for Naziism is not the reason that I advocate keeping a close watch on Nazis for Wikipedia. I advocate this because they have vowed to make POV edits to Wikipedia, and such edits are contrary to Wikipedia rules. If a Nazi should pop up, we should watch them closely and ban them when they start fouling our stream of knowledge with biased, worthless tripe (if they do).
Sounds great, and I don't think anyone at anytime suggested that we would do anything less than try to keep an eye on them, and prosecute them via policy if they violate our rules. The problem is the people who call them a "human virus" and vow to IAR, whether they be wiki-policy or even external laws, in order to persecute this unpopular monority. Thats the kind of mess that shows just how little people have learned from the past, and how much danger NPOV is in from wikipedias petty tyrants.
Jack (Sam Spade)
On 8/25/05, Richard Rabinowitz rickyrab@eden.rutgers.edu wrote:
As a Jewish person, I don't like Naziism one bit. I do recognize that Nazis are folks like you and me. Nonetheless, my distaste for Naziism is not the reason that I advocate keeping a close watch on Nazis for Wikipedia. I advocate this because they have vowed to make POV edits to Wikipedia, and such edits are contrary to Wikipedia rules. If a Nazi should pop up, we should watch them closely and ban them when they start fouling our stream of knowledge with biased, worthless tripe (if they do).
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One does not have to be Jewish to abhor Nazi philosophy.
One must be respectful of people regardless of the opinions they hold.
One must be inpartial in the level of care one exercises in the creation the Wikipedia. All users bring in POV, and all users help each other balance POV into NPOV.
--- Richard Rabinowitz rickyrab@eden.rutgers.edu wrote:
As a Jewish person, I don't like Naziism one bit. I do recognize that Nazis are folks like you and me. Nonetheless, my distaste for Naziism is not the reason that I advocate keeping a close watch on Nazis for Wikipedia. I advocate this because they have vowed to make POV edits to Wikipedia, and such edits are contrary to Wikipedia rules. If a Nazi should pop up, we should watch them closely and ban them when they start fouling our stream of knowledge with biased, worthless tripe (if they do).
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I happen to feel nazis are subhumans themselves.
On 8/25/05, Christopher Mahan chris_mahan@yahoo.com wrote:
One does not have to be Jewish to abhor Nazi philosophy.
One must be respectful of people regardless of the opinions they hold.
One must be inpartial in the level of care one exercises in the creation the Wikipedia. All users bring in POV, and all users help each other balance POV into NPOV.
--- Richard Rabinowitz rickyrab@eden.rutgers.edu wrote:
As a Jewish person, I don't like Naziism one bit. I do recognize that Nazis are folks like you and me. Nonetheless, my distaste for Naziism is not the reason that I advocate keeping a close watch on Nazis for Wikipedia. I advocate this because they have vowed to make POV edits to Wikipedia, and such edits are contrary to Wikipedia rules. If a Nazi should pop up, we should watch them closely and ban them when they start fouling our stream of knowledge with biased, worthless tripe (if they do).
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and they probably think you are a sub-human. So, the neutral thing to do is either a) ban you both, or b) ban nobody based on their POV, politics, or race. This IAR "I'll ban who I want to" stuff is untenable, however.
Jack (Sam Spade)
On 8/25/05, Phroziac phroziac@gmail.com wrote:
I happen to feel nazis are subhumans themselves.
My gut says "ban all Nazis" - as the grandson of a Nazi, as someone whose relatives died fighting for a cause they believed in, I find it especially abhorrent. Jack is right, we can't ban people for their beliefs. At the same time, Linder's posts about Jay and other Wikipedia editors are pretty close to threats, and I think that off-project threats based on Wikipedia activities should be taken just as seriously as on-project threats. IMO, if you see Linder's comments as menacing or as threatening, then he should be banned - but not for his "white nationalist" views, but for implied threats.
Ian (Guettarda)
On 8/25/05, Jack Lynch jack.i.lynch@gmail.com wrote:
and they probably think you are a sub-human. So, the neutral thing to do is either a) ban you both, or b) ban nobody based on their POV, politics, or race. This IAR "I'll ban who I want to" stuff is untenable, however.
Jack (Sam Spade)
On 8/25/05, Phroziac phroziac@gmail.com wrote:
I happen to feel nazis are subhumans themselves.
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Actually i'm not a jew, black, gay, etc, and I haven't vandalized the nazipedia, so they probably didn't.
On 8/25/05, Jack Lynch jack.i.lynch@gmail.com wrote:
and they probably think you are a sub-human. So, the neutral thing to do is either a) ban you both, or b) ban nobody based on their POV, politics, or race. This IAR "I'll ban who I want to" stuff is untenable, however.
Jack (Sam Spade)
On 8/25/05, Phroziac phroziac@gmail.com wrote:
I happen to feel nazis are subhumans themselves.
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I happen to feel nazis are subhumans themselves.
The statement "I happen to feel _____ are subhumans themselves" reveals considerably more about the speaker than about the referent.