Sorry, I didn't see this before replying... Thank you, yes, such a warning would definitely have been helpful. I would have appreciated being told what was consisered an appropriate / valuable addition. (Contrary to what Rick seems to believe, I have put work and effort into this micronation, and am continuing to do so). Here's hoping your suggestion will be acted upon... Again, thanks all for your time and comments.
Regards, Adrian
Message du 07/12/03 20:11 De : sannse A : English Wikipedia Copie à : Objet : Re: [WikiEN-l] Question Rick wrote: > Ariddia is the creation of this user on NationStates, which is a GAME. The creations at NationStates are not to be considered as even on the same level as the crackpot "nations" that crop up from time to time on [[List of microstates]]. *I* have a country on NationStates, and if you look at any of the informatoin on that page, you can see that NOBODY on NationStates take their creations seriously. There are THOUSANDS of fake "nations" on NationStates. If everybody there wanted to come to Wikipedia to add their fake country to it, we would be swamped (I know, "slipper slope argument"). But Ariddia is not a real place, it is not registered at a real place, it is not intended to be a real place, it is nothing but a place created to play the game. > > RickK I think the question here is, was there any attempt to communicate with Adrian in any way before the block? Did anyone explain to him why his edits to [[List of micronations]] were being reverted and why his article at [[Ariddia]] is not suitable for the 'pedia? I see that RickK used a comment on one of his reversions to communicate ("rv. The entries at NationStates are imaginary") but maybe a comment on a talk page might have been helpful? I guess you might feel that it would be a waste of your editing time to do this in each similar case, but it might be worth it if it helps retain a potentially useful user (anyone who spends lots of time on the details of inventing a country might spend lots of time on the details of an encyclopaedia too!) Personally I think it should be general practice to at least give a "stop that or you will be blocked" message on a IPs talk page before most blocks (I'm not making that a stronger statement because I recognise there are many variable situations). Regards sannse _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
I find people's use of "Micronation", especially as in the [[Micronation]] article, terribly inconsistent- the only way I've ever seen it used outside of Wikipedia (Note the "I've seen", don't list Google results of other uses, I'm sure they exist) is to refer to very small nations that actually exist and have some degree of legal recognition (even if it's just that they're islands outside any other nation's territory): [[Sealand]], North Dumpling (Dean Kamen's island, near Long Island- has a non-aggression pact with the US signed by then-President George H.W. Bush), and several dozen others. However, many people seem to use the term to describe entirely fictional entities with no territory. I would simply call these "Fantasy nations", "Imaginary nations", or something like that, as the prefix micro- makes no sense in that context.
-- Jake
----- Original Message ----- From: "aridd" aridd@wanadoo.fr To: "sannse" sannse@delphiforums.com; "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org; "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Re: [WikiEN-l] Question
Sorry, I didn't see this before replying... Thank you, yes, such a warning would definitely have been helpful. I would have appreciated being told what was consisered an appropriate / valuable addition. (Contrary to what Rick seems to believe, I have put work and effort into this micronation, and am continuing to do so). Here's hoping your suggestion will be acted upon... Again, thanks all for your time and comments.
Regards, Adrian
Message du 07/12/03 20:11 De : sannse A : English Wikipedia Copie à : Objet : Re: [WikiEN-l] Question Rick wrote: > Ariddia is the creation of this user on NationStates, which is a GAME. The creations at NationStates are not to be considered as even on the same level as the crackpot "nations" that crop up from time to time on [[List of microstates]]. *I* have a country on NationStates, and if you look at any of the informatoin on that page, you can see that NOBODY on NationStates take their creations seriously. There are THOUSANDS of fake "nations" on NationStates. If everybody there wanted to come to Wikipedia to add their fake country to it, we would be swamped (I know, "slipper slope argument"). But Ariddia is not a real place, it is not registered at a real place, it is not intended to be a real place, it is nothing but a place created to play the game. > > RickK I think the question here is, was there any attempt to communicate with Adrian in any way before the block? Did anyone explain to him why his edits to [[List of micronations]] were being reverted and why his article at [[Ariddia]] is not suitable for the 'pedia? I see that RickK used a comment on one of his reversions to communicate ("rv. The entries at NationStates are imaginary") but maybe a comment on a talk page might have been helpful? I guess you might feel that it would be a waste of your editing time to do this in each similar case, but it might be worth it if it helps retain a potentially useful user (anyone who spends lots of time on the details of inventing a country might spend lots of time on the details of an encyclopaedia too!) Personally I think it should be general practice to at least give a "stop that or you will be blocked" message on a IPs talk page before most blocks (I'm not making that a stronger statement because I recognise there are many variable situations). Regards sannse _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
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Jake wrote:
I find people's use of "Micronation", especially as in the [[Micronation]] article, terribly inconsistent- the only way I've ever seen it used
outside
of Wikipedia (Note the "I've seen", don't list Google results of other
uses,
I'm sure they exist) is to refer to very small nations that actually exist and have some degree of legal recognition (even if it's just that they're islands outside any other nation's territory): [[Sealand]], North Dumpling (Dean Kamen's island, near Long Island- has a non-aggression pact with the US signed by then-President George H.W. Bush), and several dozen others. However, many people seem to use the term to describe entirely fictional entities with no territory. I would simply call these "Fantasy nations", "Imaginary nations", or something like that, as the prefix micro- makes no sense in that context.
-- Jake
The [[micronations]] article makes a distinction between "micronations" and "microstates", but I've no idea if this is a common way of using the words. I've never come across the concept before this, so am probably using it wrong.
Regards
sannse
On 12/8/03 7:06 AM, "sannse" sannse@delphiforums.com wrote:
Jake wrote:
I find people's use of "Micronation", especially as in the [[Micronation]] article, terribly inconsistent- the only way I've ever seen it used
outside
of Wikipedia (Note the "I've seen", don't list Google results of other
uses,
I'm sure they exist) is to refer to very small nations that actually exist and have some degree of legal recognition (even if it's just that they're islands outside any other nation's territory): [[Sealand]], North Dumpling (Dean Kamen's island, near Long Island- has a non-aggression pact with the US signed by then-President George H.W. Bush), and several dozen others. However, many people seem to use the term to describe entirely fictional entities with no territory. I would simply call these "Fantasy nations", "Imaginary nations", or something like that, as the prefix micro- makes no sense in that context.
-- Jake
The [[micronations]] article makes a distinction between "micronations" and "microstates", but I've no idea if this is a common way of using the words. I've never come across the concept before this, so am probably using it wrong.
The main promoter in print of the term "micronation" to refer to small nation-like groups without official recognition is this Wired Magazine article from March 2000:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.03/kingdoms.html
Until a more precise term comes along, one might as well call Talossa a micronation. Micronations, also known as counternations and ephemeral states, consist of one or more people united by the desire to form and/or inhabit an independent country of their own making. All micronations have governments, laws, and customs; the main distinguishing factor is whether their citizens want to establish a physical home country and seek international recognition, or whether, as is the case with Talossa, they're happy just to pretend.