"Ryan Wetherell" wrote
On 12/29/06, James Hare messedrocker@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I have an idea for PROD. You know when someone PRODs an article, and then the PROD tag is removed, you have to then take it to AFD because the author of the article doesn't want the article to be deleted? Well, I think that in order for the PROD to be justifably removed, the author *must* state an acceptable (at the very least) reason that the article shouldn't be PRODed. If it's acceptable-at-the-very-least, then it can be taken to AFD. If there's no reason or the reason given is not reasonable (for example, if the stated reason was "Because Jimbo has a beard"), then the removal can be reverted.
How does this sound?
I just reverted a PROD tag removal, and justified it on the talk page by saying that there had been no changes to the content of the article, and no stated opposition to the PROD. This is okay, right?
Would 'this is never a PROD in a million years' be an acceptable reason? It is how I have felt a couple of times. Bear in mind the tendency on the site for people to think that material should be deleted, if _they_ can't see what it is for. Whereas PROD should be for material that, in effect, no one without a direct and personal connection could see what it is for.
Charles
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On 12/29/06, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
"Ryan Wetherell" wrote
On 12/29/06, James Hare messedrocker@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I have an idea for PROD. You know when someone PRODs an article, and then the PROD tag is removed, you have to then take it to AFD because the author of the article doesn't want the article to be deleted? Well, I think that in order for the PROD to be justifably removed, the author *must* state an acceptable (at the very least) reason that the article shouldn't be PRODed. If it's acceptable-at-the-very-least, then it can be taken to AFD. If there's no reason or the reason given is not reasonable (for example, if the stated reason was "Because Jimbo has a beard"), then the removal can be reverted.
How does this sound?
I just reverted a PROD tag removal, and justified it on the talk page by saying that there had been no changes to the content of the article, and no stated opposition to the PROD. This is okay, right?
Would 'this is never a PROD in a million years' be an acceptable reason? It is how I have felt a couple of times. Bear in mind the tendency on the site for people to think that material should be deleted, if _they_ can't see what it is for. Whereas PROD should be for material that, in effect, no one without a direct and personal connection could see what it is for.
Charles
Yes, any reasonable* objection should be welcome.
--Ryan
* "I'm removing this PROD tag because Joe, who tagged it, is a blundering idiot." is not reasonable.
So, is "I don't think this should be deleted." a reasonable objection? If so, it's pointless asking for a reason as it's implicit in the removal, if not, "this is never a PROD in a million years" isn't either, as it means exactly the same thing.
On 12/29/06, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
So, is "I don't think this should be deleted." a reasonable objection?
Yes or no. I'm thinking it's a circumstantial thing.
--Ryan
On 12/29/06, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
So, is "I don't think this should be deleted." a reasonable objection?
Yes or no. I'm thinking it's a circumstantial thing.
If it's not simple to decide if something is reasonable, then the system won't work.
It's not necessarily unreasonable, just bad. That is, I would hope people could put some more effort into an objection.
--Ryan
On 29/12/06, charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com charles.r.matthews@ntlworld.com wrote:
Would 'this is never a PROD in a million years' be an acceptable reason? It is how I have felt a couple of times. Bear in mind the tendency on the site for people to think that material should be deleted, if _they_ can't see what it is for. Whereas PROD should be for material that, in effect, no one without a direct and personal connection could see what it is for.
I'd say - remove a prod if you think it's silly, adding a reason makes it less likely someone will re-prod it or AFD it.
- d.