I'm dissapointed in you, Ruy. This sort of agitation serves no producitive purpose (even though Mister Wales did hurt your feelings), on the contrary, it takes away from your valid points and allows the rest of the list to discard them with far greater ease.
"those of you not coming to this list to kiss the ass of Ayn Rand
reading porn magnate Jimbo Wales"
I do regret that Jimbo was not more sensitive to your feelings. I
don't know why Adam Carr can do no wrong in his eyes.
Fred, everything else aside, I am positively impressed with your post. Wow, I did not expect that.
El_C
I'd like to get the opinions of the list on the following statement: "I have never engaged in personal attacks on any editor. Since I don't know any other editor personally, and know nothing about them other than what they write here, I don't see how I could make a personal attack on them even if I was minded to." http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_arbi...
This seems to say that unless an editor knows another personally, a personal attack is not possible. Can someone please comment on how this squares with WP:NPA?
The editor who made the above comment then goes on to describe other named editors as trolls (a term widely accepted as being a personal attack), and makes derogatory comments about these editors, stating that he has "engaged in recent edit wars with these editors".
This particular editor has recently been admonished by the Arbcom to avoid personal attacks: "User:xxxx is admonished to avoid discourtesy and personal attacks." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Skyring/Prop...
WP:NPA clearly states: "Do not make personal attacks anywhere in Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Nobody likes abuse."
Nowhere does it mention anything about knowing the editor in question. And the comment you describe is therefore completely irrelevant. Whoever said it needs to read NPA in detail.
--Mgm
On 7/10/05, Skyring skyring@gmail.com wrote:
I'd like to get the opinions of the list on the following statement: "I have never engaged in personal attacks on any editor. Since I don't know any other editor personally, and know nothing about them other than what they write here, I don't see how I could make a personal attack on them even if I was minded to." http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_arbi...
This seems to say that unless an editor knows another personally, a personal attack is not possible. Can someone please comment on how this squares with WP:NPA?
The editor who made the above comment then goes on to describe other named editors as trolls (a term widely accepted as being a personal attack), and makes derogatory comments about these editors, stating that he has "engaged in recent edit wars with these editors".
This particular editor has recently been admonished by the Arbcom to avoid personal attacks: "User:xxxx is admonished to avoid discourtesy and personal attacks." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Skyring/Prop...
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I do regret that Jimbo was not more sensitive to your feelings. I
don't know why Adam Carr can do no wrong in his eyes.
Fred, everything else aside, I am positively impressed with your post. Wow, I did not expect that.
El_C
Everything else aside, I have to say I'm pretty disappointed with Fred there. Perhaps this is an inevitable consequence of having an arbitrator who doesn't actually write articles - they get out of touch with what we're actually here for - to write an encyclopedia.
-- ambi