HI all - I've come out of lurk mode for a bit. As some of you may have noticed, there's a bit of French nationalist (no offense to Anthere or any other sensible contributor meant) irredentism on the site - has been for a while. There have been issues on Clovis I (someone put up a coin with a portrait of Clovis that said, "Clovis Ier, Roy de France" as proof that this 5th century Frank was a king of France. Trouble is, heading in a language (reasonable modern French) is one of a couple proofs that the coin was much later - proof that the French consider Clovis a French king, but not proof that he *was*. Lots of arguments on the talk pages - similar to those on the list of French Monarchs. Every time I think it's safe to go back in the water . Could somebody please have a look? I wrote a somewhat lengthy (and in need of editing) intro that explains the controversy, but it has not been well-received by M. Delson. Thanks -- Jules
--- Julie Kemp juleskemp@yahoo.com wrote:
HI all - I've come out of lurk mode for a bit. As some of you may have noticed, there's a bit of French nationalist (no offense to Anthere or any other sensible contributor meant) irredentism on the site - has been for a while. There have been issues on Clovis I (someone put up a coin with a portrait of Clovis that said, "Clovis Ier, Roy de France" as proof that this 5th century Frank was a king of France. Trouble is, heading in a language (reasonable modern French) is one of a couple proofs that the coin was much later - proof that the French consider Clovis a French king, but not proof that he *was*. Lots of arguments on the talk pages - similar to those on the list of French Monarchs. Every time I think it's safe to go back in the water . Could somebody please have a look? I wrote a somewhat lengthy (and in need of editing) intro that explains the controversy, but it has not been well-received by M. Delson. Thanks -- Jules
He ! We indeed consider he was the first king of France when he was made christian by Saint R�mi (even though we usually refer to him as King of the franks ...). He was the one who started the history of France, and we are tought he was chosen by the tribe of franks to be king, and gave its name to our country. But, what do we know ? It is just what we learn in school :-) With no proof he was indeed considered a king at that time. Another future info fork between the french and the english wiki :-) Happy you are back.
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