-----Original Message----- From: geni [mailto:geniice@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 04:15 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Harassment sites
On 15/10/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/15/07 3:27 PM, fredbaud@waterwiki.info at fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
The encyclopedia is the work of the community, its creation. Thus the encyclopedia is dependent on the viability and integrity of the community.
Absolutely, Fred!
Marc
Expect we know that individual bits of the community are expendable.
On 10/15/07, fredbaud@waterwiki.info fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: geni [mailto:geniice@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 04:15 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Harassment sites
On 15/10/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/15/07 3:27 PM, fredbaud@waterwiki.info at fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
The encyclopedia is the work of the community, its creation. Thus the encyclopedia is dependent on the viability and integrity of the community.
Absolutely, Fred!
Marc
Expect we know that individual bits of the community are expendable.
-- geni
Yes, like long term editors compared to newbies who must not be bitten, and versus trolls who must be accomodated in every way but down.
KP
On 10/15/07, K P kpbotany@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/15/07, fredbaud@waterwiki.info fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: geni [mailto:geniice@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 04:15 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Harassment sites
On 15/10/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/15/07 3:27 PM, fredbaud@waterwiki.info at fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
The encyclopedia is the work of the community, its creation. Thus the encyclopedia is dependent on the viability and integrity of the community.
Absolutely, Fred!
Marc
Expect we know that individual bits of the community are expendable.
-- geni
Yes, like long term editors compared to newbies who must not be bitten, and versus trolls who must be accomodated in every way but down.
But long term editors are presumably "better able to take care of themselves" and less likely to leave given an abusive encounter than a newbie (major problem, hence BITE), and more able to discern a troll and ignore them rather than take it personally.
How we deal with trolls is problematic. A large part of it is people getting into random interpersonal conflict (normal) and failing to AGF (also normal, though policy says elsewise) and starting to assume the opponents are trolls.
We also have some very dangerous insidious true troublemakers out there.
I wish it was as simple as AGF or Instaban. But telling which category an obstreperous user falls into is not a science, viewed from the outside.
On 10/15/07, George Herbert george.herbert@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/15/07, K P kpbotany@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/15/07, fredbaud@waterwiki.info fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: geni [mailto:geniice@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 04:15 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Harassment sites
On 15/10/2007, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
on 10/15/07 3:27 PM, fredbaud@waterwiki.info at fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
The encyclopedia is the work of the community, its creation. Thus the encyclopedia is dependent on the viability and integrity of the community.
Absolutely, Fred!
Marc
Expect we know that individual bits of the community are expendable.
-- geni
Yes, like long term editors compared to newbies who must not be bitten, and versus trolls who must be accomodated in every way but down.
But long term editors are presumably "better able to take care of themselves" and less likely to leave given an abusive encounter than a newbie (major problem, hence BITE), and more able to discern a troll and ignore them rather than take it personally.
How we deal with trolls is problematic. A large part of it is people getting into random interpersonal conflict (normal) and failing to AGF (also normal, though policy says elsewise) and starting to assume the opponents are trolls.
We also have some very dangerous insidious true troublemakers out there.
I wish it was as simple as AGF or Instaban. But telling which category an obstreperous user falls into is not a science, viewed from the outside.
-- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
You're right, long term editors learn to bite first, bite hard, and bite often, and you won't have as many problems.
KP
K P wrote:
You're right, long term editors learn to bite first, bite hard, and bite often, and you won't have as many problems.
If there's a long-term editor that doesn't bite often or hard is he anywhere near as noticeable as one that does? They just quietly go about their business editing.
On 10/16/07, Bryan Derksen bryan.derksen@shaw.ca wrote:
K P wrote:
You're right, long term editors learn to bite first, bite hard, and bite often, and you won't have as many problems.
If there's a long-term editor that doesn't bite often or hard is he anywhere near as noticeable as one that does? They just quietly go about their business editing.
[[Availability heuristic]].
—C.W.