We have an alternative betwen a simple procvess that everyone understands and which is most unlikely to go wrong, and a much more complicated one that most Wikipedians do not understand and which is much more likely to be confusing. to try the complicated one first is playing technical games with the encyclopedia.

The example given is simple vandalism, not harmful libel, and what surprises me about it is that the p. was not very quickly protected to deal with it.

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Wilhelm Schnotz wilhelm@nixeagle.org wrote:

If you want flagged reca the instructions for starting the process are at http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2008-June/043691.html

On 12/31/08, Maxim maxim.wiki@gmail.com wrote:

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I think a better question at this point would be is how, from a technical standpoint, implementing flagged revs or semi-protection on only biographies will technically feasible.

As for the

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On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Charlotte Webb charlottethewebb@gmail.comwrote:

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I'm still trying to figure out why semi-protection is more widely supported than flaggedrevs, especially after seeing the example given here:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=22088 [warning: badsite]

What would be a reasonable timetable for closing this discussion...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Protecting_BLP_articles_feeler_survey

...with the acknowledgment that there is at least majority support for flaggedrevs on BLP articles, and turn the bloody thing on already (preferably without any technical or social restrictions against using it on other pages as needed, and on all pages eventually).

It's a few hours till 2009 here, and I'm about to go get shit-faced drunk. If anyone is reading this I'd like nothing better than to come back tomorrow <s>morning</s> afternoon and see that actual progress has been made.

For this new year it's time to try something different. Please.

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On 1/1/09, David Goodman dgoodmanny@gmail.com wrote:

much more complicated one that most Wikipedians do not understand and which is much more likely to be confusing.

You can help Wikipedia by explaining it to other Wikipedians (unless of course you're speaking for yourself).

to try the complicated one first is playing technical games with the encyclopedia.

Oh, the one that lets you edit after 4 days, 10 edits, and 0 [[brownie points]].

I forgot who it was that recently drew an absurd parallel between BLP issues and handgun fatalities, something to the effect of leaving articles unprotected being comparable to "giving a child a loaded gun".

Maybe so but an adult (or an "autoconfirmed" account) who has no experience handling a loaded gun before (or driving a car, or whatever you want to compare it to) isn't going to handle it much more safely than a child. Sure they've "seen more of the world" but have no experience specific to a potentially dangerous task.

On the other hand we could argue all day about the difference between a waiting period for you at the pawn shop counter and a waiting period for the bullet after it takes flight.

Personally I think it's a very important one!

—C.W.