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Eliz

8 Oct 2007 8 Oct '07

7:14 p.m.

Already posted on ANI, but any users in the Cincinnati area: [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Thomas_Hobbes&curid=8842… ] Thanks, Eliz

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Eliz

8 Oct 8 Oct

7:22 p.m.

The edit has been oversighted, but it was another threat of self harm. I have not received confirmation that the Cincinnati authorities have been notified... I can provide the oversighted # and IP address if you email me offlist. Thanks, Eliz On 10/8/07, Eliz <eliz81wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Already posted on ANI, but any users in the Cincinnati area: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Thomas_Hobbes&curid=8842… ] Thanks, Eliz

David Gerard

7:45 p.m.

On 08/10/2007, Eliz <eliz81wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Send it to the office, the staff are in right now. - d.

John Lee

8:05 p.m.

On 10/8/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 08/10/2007, Eliz <eliz81wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

offlist.

Send it to the office, the staff are in right now.

That's true...part of the problem with being a global project is that not all of us are aware that there's an office or that the WMF even exists - and if we are, we may not be aware where it is or what time zone it is in, or what its office hours are. I'm a bit surprised there was no response to this on IRC - has there been any yet? Johnleemk

Michael Noda

10:07 p.m.

On 10/8/07, John Lee <johnleemk(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 10/8/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 08/10/2007, Eliz <eliz81wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

offlist.

Send it to the office, the staff are in right now.

#wikipedia-en collectively shrugged its shoulders when I tried to get more information, as has ANI. I'd like to contact the authorities myself, but I'm not an admin, and the critical information has reportedly been oversighted (!) already. I can't get a straight answer as to whether the police have been contacted yet, and I am >< thisclose to calling for sysop bits to roll, because I am going out of my mind with worry that we are botching this one royally and putting someone's life or safety in danger. Has anyone on-list contacted the police or preserved the information so that I can pass it on?

Andrew Gray

10:15 p.m.

On 08/10/2007, Michael Noda <michael.noda(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 10/8/07, John Lee <johnleemk(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/8/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 08/10/2007, Eliz <eliz81wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

offlist.

Send it to the office, the staff are in right now.

#wikipedia seems fairly clear that the police have been contacted. (stripping out excess material): <Eliz81> ok, called second local police department <Eliz81> this time they just said "we'll take care of it" when i told them the IP address <Eliz81> the first one, i called the ISP, and he told me exactly what to tell the police, who turned around and called the ISP <Eliz81> so i knew the police were in touch with who they needed to be <Eliz81> geniice: you should've heard the first department though! when i was giving the IP, "WHAT?? That's not an address!" <Eliz81> geniice: "I've never heard of anything like this in my life. hang on a second." ... well, welcome to the world of internet, lady! <geniice> Eliz81 I haven't seen the notes wasn't a phone number given? <Eliz81> geniice for one, not the other, which didn't match the IP location, but nice, internet-competent second officer said he'd take care of it so i didn't need to contact the authorities again in regards to the number -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

Michael Noda

10:28 p.m.

On 10/8/07, Andrew Gray <shimgray(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 08/10/2007, Michael Noda <michael.noda(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/8/07, John Lee <johnleemk(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 10/8/07, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On 08/10/2007, Eliz <eliz81wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The edit has been oversighted, but it was another threat of self harm. I > have not received confirmation that the Cincinnati authorities have been > notified... I can provide the oversighted # and IP address if you email me > offlist. Send it to the office, the staff are in right now.

*phew* Thank you.

Eugene van der Pijll

10:24 p.m.

Michael Noda schreef:

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I'd like to contact the authorities myself, but I'm not an admin, and the critical information has reportedly been oversighted (!) already. I can't get a straight answer as to whether the police have been contacted yet, and I am >< thisclose to calling for sysop bits to roll, because I am going out of my mind with worry that we are botching this one royally and putting someone's life or safety in danger.

Last time, someone undeleted the suicide note, and was reprimanded for that. Apparently, he should have guessed that deletion of the note meant that the situation had been handled. Oversighters are presumed to be even more responsible than normal admins, so there is no need to worry. Eugene

geni

10:30 p.m.

On 08/10/2007, Eugene van der Pijll <eugene(a)vanderpijll.nl> wrote:

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Michael Noda schreef:

Last time, someone undeleted the suicide note, and was reprimanded for that. Apparently, he should have guessed that deletion of the note meant that the situation had been handled.

Well this time it didn't

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Oversighters are presumed to be even more responsible than normal admins, so there is no need to worry. Eugene

No oversight. Delete was by user:Mercury. -- geni

Moe Epsilon

10:35 p.m.

eek, are we sure that this isn't visible? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Thomas_Hobbes&curid=8842… I can still see the edit from this URL for some reason. -- Moe geni <geniice(a)gmail.com> wrote: On 08/10/2007, Eugene van der Pijll wrote:

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Michael Noda schreef:

Last time, someone undeleted the suicide note, and was reprimanded for that. Apparently, he should have guessed that deletion of the note meant that the situation had been handled.

Well this time it didn't

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Oversighters are presumed to be even more responsible than normal admins, so there is no need to worry. Eugene

Vee

10:39 p.m.

On 08/10/2007, Moe Epsilon <moe_epsilon(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

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Michael Noda schreef:

Last time, someone undeleted the suicide note, and was reprimanded for that. Apparently, he should have guessed that deletion of the note meant that the situation had been handled.

Well this time it didn't

Oversighters are presumed to be even more responsible than normal admins, so there is no need to worry. Eugene

No oversight. Delete was by user:Mercury. -- geni _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

I can't see it. Refresh your cache.

Moe Epsilon

10:44 p.m.

Appears to be gone now. I wasn't even logged into my account until a couple of minutes ago, and according to the logs when Mercury deleted it, it was three hours ago when he deleted.. strange bug. Vee <vee.be.me(a)gmail.com> wrote: On 08/10/2007, Moe Epsilon wrote:

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Michael Noda schreef:

Last time, someone undeleted the suicide note, and was reprimanded for that. Apparently, he should have guessed that deletion of the note meant that the situation had been handled.

Well this time it didn't

Oversighters are presumed to be even more responsible than normal admins, so there is no need to worry. Eugene

NavouWiki

11 p.m.

Yes, I deleted. I also let Wikipedia-en-admins know, and I saw that it was posted here and at AN/I. I told AN/I that I did not have a my phone with me. And I did remove the personal information from the public wiki via selective restoration. -----Original Message----- From: wikien-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Moe Epsilon Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 5:44 PM To: English Wikipedia Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Potential Cincinnati emergency Appears to be gone now. I wasn't even logged into my account until a couple of minutes ago, and according to the logs when Mercury deleted it, it was three hours ago when he deleted.. strange bug. Vee <vee.be.me(a)gmail.com> wrote: On 08/10/2007, Moe Epsilon wrote:

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eek, are we sure that this isn't visible?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Thomas_Hobbes&curid=8842… f=163129827&oldid=163129006

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I can still see the edit from this URL for some reason. -- Moe geni wrote: On 08/10/2007, Eugene van der Pijll wrote:

Michael Noda schreef:

Last time, someone undeleted the suicide note, and was reprimanded for that. Apparently, he should have guessed that deletion of the note meant that the situation had been handled.

Well this time it didn't

Oversighters are presumed to be even more responsible than normal admins, so there is no need to worry. Eugene

I can't see it. Refresh your cache. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Casey Brown

11:04 p.m.

Which is a good idea, if the authorities needed to see it, it was still recoverable (unlike oversight), but it was hidden from public view. On 10/8/07, NavouWiki <navouwiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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eek, are we sure that this isn't visible?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Thomas_Hobbes&curid=8842… f=163129827&oldid=163129006

I can still see the edit from this URL for some reason. -- Moe geni wrote: On 08/10/2007, Eugene van der Pijll wrote: > Michael Noda schreef: > > I'd like to contact the authorities > > myself, but I'm not an admin, and the critical information has > > reportedly been oversighted (!) already. I can't get a straight > > answer as to whether the police have been contacted yet, and I am >< > > thisclose to calling for sysop bits to roll, because I am going out

> > my mind with worry that we are botching this one royally and putting > > someone's life or safety in danger. > > Last time, someone undeleted the suicide note, and was reprimanded for > that. Apparently, he should have guessed that deletion of the note

meant

that the situation had been handled.

Well this time it didn't

Oversighters are presumed to be even more responsible than normal admins, so there is no need to worry. Eugene

-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

Gregory Maxwell

11:17 p.m.

On 10/8/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Which is a good idea, if the authorities needed to see it, it was still recoverable (unlike oversight), but it was hidden from public view.

Oversight is by no means unrecoverable.

Majorly

11:21 p.m.

On 09/10/2007, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 10/8/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Which is a good idea, if the authorities needed to see it, it was still recoverable (unlike oversight), but it was hidden from public view.

Oversight is by no means unrecoverable. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Delete rarely means "remove completely", simply hide. Devs could get it back. -- Alex (Majorly)

Casey Brown

11:31 p.m.

Of course, you just need to have root access to the database, in which case you can un-oversight it or at least read the revision. Just insert "easily" in there. ;-) On 10/8/07, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 10/8/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Which is a good idea, if the authorities needed to see it, it was still recoverable (unlike oversight), but it was hidden from public view.

-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

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Andrew Gray
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David Gerard
Eliz
Eugene van der Pijll
geni
Gregory Maxwell
John Lee
Majorly
Michael Noda
Moe Epsilon
NavouWiki
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