I'll start her off:
If you come to rule them all, And people look like ants, Remember being one foot tall, and crapping in your pants.
SV
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:01 PM, stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com wrote:
I'll start her off:
If you come to rule them all, And people look like ants, Remember being one foot tall, and crapping in your pants.
SV
Countless bathroom walls For you to scribble upon - Except for this one
Stvertigo thought he would rhyme
And began prompting others to chyme
But reviews were nonplussed
So it promptly got flushed
Where it swirled in the waters of time.
Anyone have paper? My roll’s empty.
-Durova
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Gwern Branwen gwern0@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 8:01 PM, stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com wrote:
I'll start her off:
If you come to rule them all, And people look like ants, Remember being one foot tall, and crapping in your pants.
SV
Countless bathroom walls For you to scribble upon - Except for this one
-- gwern
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Durova, perhaps taking some cue from Gwern, wrote some poetically critical and even ugly things above. But while Gwern mostly attacked the concept of poetry on wikien-l (oh-so-cleverly I might add), Durova appeared to have made it personal, and, for lack of a better word, ugly. I don't quite understand how a silly or even stupid poem like the one I posted might deserve such a response, but I have given it some thought and broken it down a little.
I was motivated to write this by three things 1) personal hate attacks and the concepts behind them need to be destroyed, 2) I needed to address it in order to move on to other list contributions (I've been away so long; I had forgotten we had jerks on this list) and 3) correcting Durova's own personal misconceptions, which firstly appears to be that she can personally attack someone, without real cause even, and she would receive respect, love, and even grace for it. And secondly, that she can attempt to destroy someone personally and not meet certain undeniable correction.
The dominant theories are: 1) Durova and Gwern were motivated to make the point that poetry (even bad poetry like mine) is altogether unwelcome on wikien. Attempting to sound ironic, but sounding rather more unpleasant, they used poetry itself to make their point. An insipid point, to be sure; even moreso than my pointless, harmless, poem and the posting thereof. 2) Durova (less so Gwern) appeared to have and express some animosity toward me personally. I don't know quite why; I can't remember even having said a word to her personally, on any matter at all.
3) It also occurs to me that certain people might mismanage certain concepts: Someone without sufficient self-conceptual distance between their head and their glutes might so misinterpret a harmless everyday concept like "poo" and feel entirely soiled by it. The solution is not to get personally uglier and uglier; lashing out at the very concept as it were; but to simply use personal force of mind to create some distance between the two bodily concepts in question.
All is now forgiven. We disembodied online beings can now go and do other and maybe better things. With all apologies.. for the poetry.
-SV
Wow, hadn't realized this gave offense. It was simply a commentary on doggerel and toilet humor. No intention to belittle, and apologies for having inadvertently ruffled any feathers.
-Durova
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:43 PM, stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com wrote:
Durova, perhaps taking some cue from Gwern, wrote some poetically critical and even ugly things above. But while Gwern mostly attacked the concept of poetry on wikien-l (oh-so-cleverly I might add), Durova appeared to have made it personal, and, for lack of a better word, ugly. I don't quite understand how a silly or even stupid poem like the one I posted might deserve such a response, but I have given it some thought and broken it down a little.
I was motivated to write this by three things 1) personal hate attacks and the concepts behind them need to be destroyed, 2) I needed to address it in order to move on to other list contributions (I've been away so long; I had forgotten we had jerks on this list) and 3) correcting Durova's own personal misconceptions, which firstly appears to be that she can personally attack someone, without real cause even, and she would receive respect, love, and even grace for it. And secondly, that she can attempt to destroy someone personally and not meet certain undeniable correction.
The dominant theories are:
- Durova and Gwern were motivated to make the point that poetry (even
bad poetry like mine) is altogether unwelcome on wikien. Attempting to sound ironic, but sounding rather more unpleasant, they used poetry itself to make their point. An insipid point, to be sure; even moreso than my pointless, harmless, poem and the posting thereof. 2) Durova (less so Gwern) appeared to have and express some animosity toward me personally. I don't know quite why; I can't remember even having said a word to her personally, on any matter at all.
- It also occurs to me that certain people might mismanage certain
concepts: Someone without sufficient self-conceptual distance between their head and their glutes might so misinterpret a harmless everyday concept like "poo" and feel entirely soiled by it. The solution is not to get personally uglier and uglier; lashing out at the very concept as it were; but to simply use personal force of mind to create some distance between the two bodily concepts in question.
All is now forgiven. We disembodied online beings can now go and do other and maybe better things. With all apologies.. for the poetry.
-SV
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2009/3/14 stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com:
All is now forgiven. We disembodied online beings can now go and do other and maybe better things. With all apologies.. for the poetry.
Oh, I think it's a rich field with vast opportunity.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_haiku
- d.
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 4:03 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
2009/3/14 stevertigo stvrtg@gmail.com:
All is now forgiven. We disembodied online beings can now go and do other and maybe better things. With all apologies.. for the poetry.
Oh, I think it's a rich field with vast opportunity.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_haiku
- d.
Personally, I've always preferred [[WP:HAIKU]]/[[Wikipedia:Haiku about Wikipedia policy]]/ https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Haiku_about_Wikiped...
stevertigo wrote:
Durova, perhaps taking some cue from Gwern, wrote some poetically critical and even ugly things above. But while Gwern mostly attacked the concept of poetry on wikien-l (oh-so-cleverly I might add), Durova appeared to have made it personal, and, for lack of a better word, ugly. I don't quite understand how a silly or even stupid poem like the one I posted might deserve such a response, but I have given it some thought and broken it down a little.
Wow! I'm glad you let us know that it was a personal attack; the rest of us might not have known that otherwise. I thought she was just commenting on your poetry. She did use a limerick format.
I was motivated to write this by three things 1) personal hate attacks and the concepts behind them need to be destroyed, 2) I needed to address it in order to move on to other list contributions (I've been away so long; I had forgotten we had jerks on this list) and 3) correcting Durova's own personal misconceptions, which firstly appears to be that she can personally attack someone, without real cause even, and she would receive respect, love, and even grace for it. And secondly, that she can attempt to destroy someone personally and not meet certain undeniable correction.
Is there more to the metaphor in the verse than meets the eye, perhaps an unmentioned conflict that started long before this?
The dominant theories are:
- Durova and Gwern were motivated to make the point that poetry (even
bad poetry like mine) is altogether unwelcome on wikien. Attempting to sound ironic, but sounding rather more unpleasant, they used poetry itself to make their point. An insipid point, to be sure; even moreso than my pointless, harmless, poem and the posting thereof. 2) Durova (less so Gwern) appeared to have and express some animosity toward me personally. I don't know quite why; I can't remember even having said a word to her personally, on any matter at all.
- It also occurs to me that certain people might mismanage certain
concepts: Someone without sufficient self-conceptual distance between their head and their glutes might so misinterpret a harmless everyday concept like "poo" and feel entirely soiled by it. The solution is not to get personally uglier and uglier; lashing out at the very concept as it were; but to simply use personal force of mind to create some distance between the two bodily concepts in question.
All is now forgiven. We disembodied online beings can now go and do other and maybe better things. With all apologies.. for the poetry.
Anyone who attempts poetry or other literary tricks in this forum does so at his own risk. We have some very serious people here who relish the opportunity to add more weight to levity. I considered responding but the versification did not come to me straight away to express my vision of the poor ants scattering in all directions to avoid being turd-bombed by a one-footer.
Ec
There was no prior conflict as far as I know. Just good faith misunderstanding. All in the pursuit of good doggerel.
-Durova
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
stevertigo wrote:
Durova, perhaps taking some cue from Gwern, wrote some poetically critical and even ugly things above. But while Gwern mostly attacked the concept of poetry on wikien-l (oh-so-cleverly I might add), Durova appeared to have made it personal, and, for lack of a better word, ugly. I don't quite understand how a silly or even stupid poem like the one I posted might deserve such a response, but I have given it some thought and broken it down a little.
Wow! I'm glad you let us know that it was a personal attack; the rest of us might not have known that otherwise. I thought she was just commenting on your poetry. She did use a limerick format.
I was motivated to write this by three things 1) personal hate attacks and the concepts behind them need to be destroyed, 2) I needed to address it in order to move on to other list contributions (I've been away so long; I had forgotten we had jerks on this list) and 3) correcting Durova's own personal misconceptions, which firstly appears to be that she can personally attack someone, without real cause even, and she would receive respect, love, and even grace for it. And secondly, that she can attempt to destroy someone personally and not meet certain undeniable correction.
Is there more to the metaphor in the verse than meets the eye, perhaps an unmentioned conflict that started long before this?
The dominant theories are:
- Durova and Gwern were motivated to make the point that poetry (even
bad poetry like mine) is altogether unwelcome on wikien. Attempting to sound ironic, but sounding rather more unpleasant, they used poetry itself to make their point. An insipid point, to be sure; even moreso than my pointless, harmless, poem and the posting thereof. 2) Durova (less so Gwern) appeared to have and express some animosity toward me personally. I don't know quite why; I can't remember even having said a word to her personally, on any matter at all.
- It also occurs to me that certain people might mismanage certain
concepts: Someone without sufficient self-conceptual distance between their head and their glutes might so misinterpret a harmless everyday concept like "poo" and feel entirely soiled by it. The solution is not to get personally uglier and uglier; lashing out at the very concept as it were; but to simply use personal force of mind to create some distance between the two bodily concepts in question.
All is now forgiven. We disembodied online beings can now go and do other and maybe better things. With all apologies.. for the poetry.
Anyone who attempts poetry or other literary tricks in this forum does so at his own risk. We have some very serious people here who relish the opportunity to add more weight to levity. I considered responding but the versification did not come to me straight away to express my vision of the poor ants scattering in all directions to avoid being turd-bombed by a one-footer.
Ec
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Let's stop fighting like caterwauls and doggerels. ;)
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Durova wrote:
There was no prior conflict as far as I know. Just good faith misunderstanding.
Excellent
All in the pursuit of good doggerel.
Caterwaul in pursuit of doggerel bites its own tail.
Ec
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Durova, you forgot the cardinal rule of Wikipedia, which is that any semblance of fun is strictly forbidden, on order of the cabal. I mean, seriously, why would we edit it for FUN?
bibliomaniac15
--- On Sat, 3/14/09, Durova nadezhda.durova@gmail.com wrote: From: Durova nadezhda.durova@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Poetry thread To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 7:31 PM
Let's stop fighting like caterwauls and doggerels. ;)
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Durova wrote:
There was no prior conflict as far as I know. Just good faith misunderstanding.
Excellent
All in the pursuit of good doggerel.
Caterwaul in pursuit of doggerel bites its own tail.
Ec
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Hi -
(I am second-guessing myself because for some odd reason I have something to offer to the world's arbiters of information. But I do.)
I'm a mod on a little tiny forum out in the middle of nowhere that is invite-only, and I too got sucked into a poetry duel for some odd reason. I managed to make the poetry duel between myself and the resident nihilist (I avoid pessimism because of previous psychological... stuff). It spiraled off through all sorts of odd concepts and, eventually, by misunderstanding, he did the equivalent of slapping me in the face. It takes a good deal of tact to stop things from there (the site admin had to step in and everything!), and I even had to avoid the site for a while until things calmed down enough for me to approach without explosions.
Anyway, the moral of the story is that it's still a really good idea to AGF in any environment, whether it be animal, mineral, listserv, or Wikipedia.
~orngjce223
This thread invited everyone To wax poetic Some cross words were exchanged and some Apologetic To those who'd try their hand at this Be sympathetic Though we all know that wiki rhymes Can be pathetic
I know when I post doggerel Some users curse They may reach for their medicine Or call a nurse The forms of stanzas I have used Have been diverse But in each case, the mood has gone From bad to verse
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Scientia Potentia est < bibliomaniac_15@yahoo.com> wrote:
Durova, you forgot the cardinal rule of Wikipedia, which is that any semblance of fun is strictly forbidden, on order of the cabal. I mean, seriously, why would we edit it for FUN?
bibliomaniac15
--- On Sat, 3/14/09, Durova nadezhda.durova@gmail.com wrote: From: Durova nadezhda.durova@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Poetry thread To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 7:31 PM
Let's stop fighting like caterwauls and doggerels. ;)
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Durova wrote:
There was no prior conflict as far as I know. Just good faith misunderstanding.
Excellent
All in the pursuit of good doggerel.
Caterwaul in pursuit of doggerel bites its own tail.
Ec
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So, it appears that after the poetry thread is declared dead on arrival, it revives itself. Weird.
Anyway, moving this topic in another direction (without rhyming couplets), I want to say that not having fun is really a, ahem, serious pastime for a lot of people. People (yes, that's a WW) criticize Wikipedia for taking it seriously, and perhaps it's because a lot of editors can't find a modicum of joy in editing in Wikipedia. I wonder how you can spend hours doing something so serious. The reason I slave away on it, doing a lot of grunt work, is because it's fun to me (in the end, at least). I hope other editors can feel the same way.
Mark
________________________________ From: Scientia Potentia est bibliomaniac_15@yahoo.com To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:49:30 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Poetry thread
Durova, you forgot the cardinal rule of Wikipedia, which is that any semblance of fun is strictly forbidden, on order of the cabal. I mean, seriously, why would we edit it for FUN?
bibliomaniac15
--- On Sat, 3/14/09, Durova nadezhda.durova@gmail.com wrote: From: Durova nadezhda.durova@gmail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Poetry thread To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 7:31 PM
Let's stop fighting like caterwauls and doggerels. ;)
On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:12 PM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Durova wrote:
There was no prior conflict as far as I know. Just good faith misunderstanding.
Excellent
All in the pursuit of good doggerel.
Caterwaul in pursuit of doggerel bites its own tail.
Ec
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If you wrote and did not raise the bar, while you drank and did not pass the jar, then may you see evil come, just because you're selfish one.
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I'll start her off:
If you come to rule them all, And people look like ants, Remember being one foot tall, and crapping in your pants.
SV
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Come gather 'round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone. If your time to you Is worth savin' Then you better start swimmin' Or you'll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin'.
--B. Dylan