On 5/21/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
The addition of "Goodbye, cruel world." to the end of "Acceptance" seems a bit distasteful.
Anthony
On 21/05/07, Anthony wikimail@inbox.org wrote:
On 5/21/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
The addition of "Goodbye, cruel world." to the end of "Acceptance" seems a bit distasteful.
You don't get this stuff in your inbox.
- d.
I wonder where the tipping point of our dickishness lies as a community.
-Jeff
On 5/21/07, Jeff Raymond jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com wrote:
I wonder where the tipping point of our dickishness lies as a community.
Wow, there's even a picture of a knife and link to [[Seppuku]].
G'day Anthony,
On 5/21/07, Jeff Raymond jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com wrote:
I wonder where the tipping point of our dickishness lies as a community.
Wow, there's even a picture of a knife and link to [[Seppuku]].
I think on the whole the essay is reasonably clever, although with the undertones of back-slapping and cliquey dickishness we've come to see a lot of over the past year. As far as a place to send spammers goes, I prefer Durova's essay "The dark side".
I made a few changes to the Grief essay, in the interests of good taste. One of the changes --- the Seppuku knife --- was reverted, presumably because we're just being oversensitive.
On 5/22/07, Mark Gallagher m.g.gallagher@student.canberra.edu.au wrote:
G'day Anthony,
On 5/21/07, Jeff Raymond jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com
wrote:
I wonder where the tipping point of our dickishness lies as a community.
Wow, there's even a picture of a knife and link to [[Seppuku]].
I think on the whole the essay is reasonably clever, although with the undertones of back-slapping and cliquey dickishness we've come to see a lot of over the past year. As far as a place to send spammers goes, I prefer Durova's essay "The dark side".
I only got through the description of the five stages and thought "OK, this is kind of funny, now let's delete it". Though as I said that last little bit just seemed to strike me as out of place.
As for the "now let's delete it" part, I'm not sure exactly why I got that feeling. I guess because it's half-serious and half-tongue-in-cheek, which is right up my alley when it comes to humor, but doesn't seem to belong on a permanent meta-page, even as an "essay".
And then, after reading this thread here, I realized the other problem. When I first read the essay I thought "spammer" was referring to those people who add hundreds or thousands of links to their website. But reading this discussion, and now looking at some of the examples of "denial", this term is used for people who have simply added a an article on a single website which was deemed to be "not notable". If people are going to use the term "spammer" so loosely, maybe a better picture would be something from the [[witch-hunt]] article.
How long before people start writing "D NN GRIEF" on AfD?
I made a few changes to the Grief essay, in the interests of good taste.
One of the changes --- the Seppuku knife --- was reverted, presumably because we're just being oversensitive.
I'm fine with that. One reason I didn't like the part in "acceptance" was that the other stages seemed to follow fairly closely with real-life spammers, and the last part only made me think of an incident with a Wikipedian who to my knowledge was never accused of spamming. The Seppuku knife and description is at least keeping with the spirit of the essay.
Anthony
On 5/22/07, Mark Gallagher m.g.gallagher@student.canberra.edu.au wrote:
I think on the whole the essay is reasonably clever, although with the undertones of back-slapping and cliquey dickishness we've come to see a lot of over the past year. As far as a place to send spammers goes, I prefer Durova's essay "The dark side".
Yes, that's the one we show to people. This essay is for our own amusement.
Mark Gallagher wrote:
G'day Anthony,
On 5/21/07, Jeff Raymond jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com wrote:
I wonder where the tipping point of our dickishness lies as a community.
Wow, there's even a picture of a knife and link to [[Seppuku]].
I think on the whole the essay is reasonably clever, although with the undertones of back-slapping and cliquey dickishness we've come to see a lot of over the past year. As far as a place to send spammers goes, I prefer Durova's essay "The dark side".
I made a few changes to the Grief essay, in the interests of good taste. One of the changes --- the Seppuku knife --- was reverted, presumably because we're just being oversensitive.
What do I know of Seppuku? To me the knife looked like the kind of thing you use to cut out the sections from a grapefruit. People from some countries have difficulty with both the obscurity of English humour and the directness of Aussie humour. The only compromise they can think of is political correctness. :-)
Ec
On 21/05/07, Jeff Raymond jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com wrote:
I wonder where the tipping point of our dickishness lies as a community.
Probably with trying to enforce process out of process. Fortunately, there's a strong backlash against that from both followers of process and those sick of claimed excess process.
- d.
Jeff Raymond wrote:
I wonder where the tipping point of our dickishness lies as a community.
Sometimes spammers need to be given a good tip for their efforts.
Ec
On 5/21/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Sometimes spammers need to be given a good tip for their efforts.
It is illegal under US law and most common law derived jurisdictions (with a slight question mark over South Africa although it is very slight) to kill spammers.
On 21/05/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/21/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Sometimes spammers need to be given a good tip for their efforts.
It is illegal under US law and most common law derived jurisdictions (with a slight question mark over South Africa although it is very slight) to kill spammers.
See, this is prima facie evidence that the legal system just isn't keeping up with the Internet.
- d.
Well, there goes the neighborhood.
----- Original Message ----- From: geni To: English Wikipedia Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia's five stages of grief
On 5/21/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Sometimes spammers need to be given a good tip for their efforts.
It is illegal under US law and most common law derived jurisdictions (with a slight question mark over South Africa although it is very slight) to kill spammers.
-- geni
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On Mon, 21 May 2007 21:56:00 +0100, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
It is illegal under US law and most common law derived jurisdictions (with a slight question mark over South Africa although it is very slight) to kill spammers.
Are you sure? I thought they were classed as vermin.
Guy (JzG)
On 21/05/07, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2007 21:56:00 +0100, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
It is illegal under US law and most common law derived jurisdictions (with a slight question mark over South Africa although it is very slight) to kill spammers.
Are you sure? I thought they were classed as vermin.
Some damn nanny state fool set things up so they're technically considered human. But then, we can hardly expect any better of the Marxist fools in the Callaghan government.
- d.
On 5/21/07, Guy Chapman aka JzG guy.chapman@spamcop.net wrote:
On Mon, 21 May 2007 21:56:00 +0100, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
It is illegal under US law and most common law derived jurisdictions (with a slight question mark over South Africa although it is very slight) to kill spammers.
Are you sure? I thought they were classed as vermin.
Guy (JzG)
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JzG
Then at least they require an EIS, public comment periods, and a permit.
KP
On 21/05/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/21/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Sometimes spammers need to be given a good tip for their efforts.
It is illegal under US law and most common law derived jurisdictions (with a slight question mark over South Africa although it is very slight) to kill spammers.
To be fair to the legal system, this is only by historical chance. There are no Spammer Protection Acts on the books...
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 09:56:00PM +0100, geni wrote:
It is illegal under US law and most common law derived jurisdictions (with a slight question mark over South Africa although it is very slight) to kill spammers.
It is surprising and faintly scary to learn that South Africa may be the most progressive of common-law countries.
On 5/21/07, sean@epoptic.com sean@epoptic.com wrote:
It is surprising and faintly scary to learn that South Africa may be the most progressive of common-law countries.
Eh not really. When South Africa shifted to it's post apartheid legal structure the Bill of Rights introduced has (as far as I understand obviously I'm not a lawyer) the effect that it would probably be illegal to use lethal force to protect property. However this has not as yet been directly tested in court as far as I know so I can't be certain (all the past cases being under the old system where it was under certain conditions legal).
On 5/21/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/21/07, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Sometimes spammers need to be given a good tip for their efforts.
It is illegal under US law and most common law derived jurisdictions (with a slight question mark over South Africa although it is very slight) to kill spammers.
Really? Man, you are just bummin' me out.
It's a good thing that we have people on this list who are familiar with the law, since I was planning to flay a viagra-selling dude alive tomorrow. Guess I'll just have to cancel that, then :/
David Gerard wrote:
I wonder if this applies to overenthusiastic spam-fighters too. Last night I spent about two hours cleaning up after an AfD where someone nominated _140_ articles for deletion in a single entry. The AfD was quickly closed as ridiculous but the nominator didn't clean up the AfD notices afterward. About twenty nominated articles weren't even listed on the AfD page and some of the notices had broken links so I couldn't use what-links-here to find them all.
So, perhaps good intentions, but a colossal waste of time. Grump, complain, grump.
I love threads where one can vent. :)
On 5/21/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
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On 22/05/07, Ron Ritzman ritzman@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/21/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Email spammers only have 3 stages. http://tinyurl.com/3bavet
Why did it *never* click with me that you were the same Ron Ritzman?
- d.