Proposed trial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_revisions/Trial
The voting page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Flagged_revisions/Trial/Votes
Closes Fri 24 Jan at 24:00! (I guess that's Sat Jan 25, 00:00.)
- d.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:44 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Proposed trial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_revisions/Trial
The voting page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Flagged_revisions/Trial/Votes
Closes Fri 24 Jan at 24:00! (I guess that's Sat Jan 25, 00:00.)
- d.
I think you have a type in your email. The linked page says:
"The Poll will be closed on Friday, January 23, 2009, at 24:00 UTC"
So that would be in ~24 hours, not ~48 as the 24th would suggest.
--Falcorian
That is a really short time period for a poll!
On 1/22/09, Falcorian alex.public.account+ENWikiMailingList@gmail.com wrote:
I think you have a type in your email. The linked page says:
"The Poll will be closed on Friday, January 23, 2009, at 24:00 UTC"
So that would be in ~24 hours, not ~48 as the 24th would suggest.
--Falcorian
And of course, I have a typo in my spelling of typo... :-/
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2009/1/22 Wilhelm Schnotz wilhelm@nixeagle.org:
That is a really short time period for a poll!
The poll started weeks ago, I think David's just letting people know it's about to finish. (It seems the closing date was only just decided on.)
Ah ok! I figured something was up as we never have polls that end so fast! Thanks for posting here as I did not know otherwise!
On 1/22/09, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/22 Wilhelm Schnotz wilhelm@nixeagle.org:
That is a really short time period for a poll!
The poll started weeks ago, I think David's just letting people know it's about to finish. (It seems the closing date was only just decided on.)
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2009/1/23 Wilhelm Schnotz wilhelm@nixeagle.org:
Ah ok! I figured something was up as we never have polls that end so fast! Thanks for posting here as I did not know otherwise!
If you've managed to miss the whole debate this long, count yourself lucky!
I guess tomorrow I shall flip a coin and vote ;).
On 1/22/09, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/23 Wilhelm Schnotz wilhelm@nixeagle.org:
Ah ok! I figured something was up as we never have polls that end so fast! Thanks for posting here as I did not know otherwise!
If you've managed to miss the whole debate this long, count yourself lucky!
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On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/23 Wilhelm Schnotz wilhelm@nixeagle.org:
Ah ok! I figured something was up as we never have polls that end so fast! Thanks for posting here as I did not know otherwise!
If you've managed to miss the whole debate this long, count yourself lucky!
It's been on the en.wiki watchlist notices for ages although i guess that wouldn't help if you don't keep a watchlist.
Yep! You got it exactly :D
On 1/22/09, K. Peachey p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
2009/1/23 Wilhelm Schnotz wilhelm@nixeagle.org:
Ah ok! I figured something was up as we never have polls that end so fast! Thanks for posting here as I did not know otherwise!
If you've managed to miss the whole debate this long, count yourself lucky!
It's been on the en.wiki watchlist notices for ages although i guess that wouldn't help if you don't keep a watchlist.
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Actually, Jimmy wrote on his talkpage that he considers the proposal closed and successful, and that he intends to ask that the extension be enabled. He also wrote that any of those in the 40% that opposed the trial who wished to should formulate a compromise proposal in 7 days, to be voted upon within 14 days.
So if you would otherwise oppose on the poll, you should probably turn your attention to what sort of compromise would be acceptable to you.
Nathan
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Nathan wrote:
Actually, Jimmy wrote on his talkpage that he considers the proposal closed and successful, and that he intends to ask that the extension be enabled. He also wrote that any of those in the 40% that opposed the trial who wished to should formulate a compromise proposal in 7 days, to be voted upon within 14 days.
So if you would otherwise oppose on the poll, you should probably turn your attention to what sort of compromise would be acceptable to you.
Nathan
"As an aside, I consider our BLP issue to be so important that I think it is actually unethical to not use a tool which holds great promise for helping with the problem, now that it has been successfully tested elsewhere. Anyone who would like to see this tool not go into practice needs to start by convincing people that either (a) it is ok for the BLP vandalism problem to continue or (b) there is a better way to solve it. Anything else, for me, is just a total non-starter."
Well. I'm glad we have such a neutral person in charge of these procedures.
- -- gwern
now that it has been successfully tested elsewhere.
Where and what was capacity was the site? i know know about the backlogs and such it would cause on somewhere huge like en.wiki even with all the autoconfirmed users being "reviewers" or whatever the term that they are using for it is now.
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On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:46 PM, K. Peachey wrote:
now that it has been successfully tested elsewhere.
Where and what was capacity was the site? i know know about the backlogs and such it would cause on somewhere huge like en.wiki even with all the autoconfirmed users being "reviewers" or whatever the term that they are using for it is now.
As you can read on [[Wikipedia:Flagged revisions]], the other site was de. The stats are interesting; [[User:Hut 8.5/DEWP reviewer stats]], [[User:Hut 8.5/German editing stats]].
2009/1/23 K. Peachey p858snake@yahoo.com.au:
now that it has been successfully tested elsewhere.
Where and what was capacity was the site? i know know about the backlogs and such it would cause on somewhere huge like en.wiki even with all the autoconfirmed users being "reviewers" or whatever the term that they are using for it is now.
dewp, which I believe is roughly about as large as enwp was a year or two ago. It's certainly not just small-scale testing...
Funny how it supposedly closes tomorrow but it's already done and archived.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:44 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Proposed trial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_revisions/Trial
The voting page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Flagged_revisions/Trial/Votes
Closes Fri 24 Jan at 24:00! (I guess that's Sat Jan 25, 00:00.)
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Probably because of jimbo's comment
On 1/26/09, The Cunctator cunctator@gmail.com wrote:
Funny how it supposedly closes tomorrow but it's already done and archived.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:44 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Proposed trial:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_revisions/Trial
The voting page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Flagged_revisions/Trial/Votes
Closes Fri 24 Jan at 24:00! (I guess that's Sat Jan 25, 00:00.)
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The Cunctator wrote:
Funny how it supposedly closes tomorrow but it's already done and archived.
I've never liked the idea that a poll should ever be closed. It would be enough to make the subject matter implementable when certain pre-defined thresholds are reached. If at some later time a contrary threshold is reached, including an allowance for people changing their votes, the result could be reversed.
We chronically limit voting to those people who happen to know that something is happening on a current basis. There is also a steep cliff to climb for future contributors who weren't around when a distasteful policy was set.
Ec
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:44 PM, David Gerard wrote:
Proposed trial: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Flagged_revisions/Trial
The voting page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Flagged_revisions/Trial/Votes
Closes Fri 24 Jan at 24:00! (I guess that's Sat Jan 25, 00:00.)
Will these things be applied differentially to talk pages and articles?
2009/1/28 Jay Litwyn brewhaha@edmc.net:
Will these things be applied differentially to talk pages and articles?
I don't believe flagged-revisions was ever anticipated to be used on talkpages (or other "internal" pages) even in a full-scale implementation
FWIW, I did a radio interview yesterday about flagged revisions, on Chris Evans' show on BBC Radio 2:
http://neurolysis.blogspot.com/2009/01/david-gerard-on-chris-evans-bbc-radio...
(cheers to Chris Down for the transcript)
Hopefully I set out the controversy neutrally and accurately :-)
- d.
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:09 AM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
FWIW, I did a radio interview yesterday about flagged revisions, on Chris Evans' show on BBC Radio 2:
http://neurolysis.blogspot.com/2009/01/david-gerard-on-chris-evans-bbc-radio...
(cheers to Chris Down for the transcript)
Hopefully I set out the controversy neutrally and accurately :-)
- d.
Seems reasonably good, although a lot of the opposition struck me as being on principle and not worries that it'll be 'applied to too much, too fast'.