Re: [WikiEN-l] Assume bad faith, for banned users.
Earlier: "... if a banned user wants to convince me of something ..." "... I bet there's ten times the traffic on this list by regular users responding to banned users, or debating topics brought up by banned users, as there is by banned users..." "...If you've been independently banned from that many sites ... it's almost certainly your fault ..." "... if you'd rather ... let something disgusting ... occur just to keep from being banned, then fine ..." "... This is a waste of time. Can we ban him from this list please? ..."
Peter Blaise responds: Ahh, meta discussions - discussions about our discussions. Every community has 'em.
If we stop banning or deleting anything that's not spam, not vandalism, not off topic, that would allow us to recycle all this energy into constructive activities.
Or not.
It's up to us. Even without a ban on banning, admins could volunteer NOT to ban, all on their own, and go out and construct something, instead.
It could happen.
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Time to reboot wikien-l
Earlier: "... find a collection of people who are willing to moderate wikien-forum ... People write in proposing new threads. If any moderator thinks the topic is interesting or important, they can volunteer to curate the thread ..."
It's called BLOGS, and anyone can do that now, all on their own. No one's stopping 'em.
Otherwise, I will NEVER understand why someone complains about their own inability to scroll on, or hit their own delete key, and instead blames someone else for all their own incessant typing to respond to something that does not interest them.
Huh? 'splain away - I'm all ears!
Anyway, I like the archives because I can search for threads I missed or was not interested in at the time. If I were to block threads that were not interesting to me at any one moment in time, this list and it's archives would not exist - hey, it would be my blog! Doh!
Monahon, Peter B. wrote:
Otherwise, I will NEVER understand why someone complains about their own inability to scroll on, or hit their own delete key, and instead blames someone else for all their own incessant typing to respond to something that does not interest them.
Huh? 'splain away - I'm all ears!
They aren't saying they can't delete the messages; they're saying that the most effective filtering strategy for them is currently to unsubscribe rather than to deal with the large number of individual messages.
Even at 5 seconds per message, yesterday's traffic would have taken 15 minutes to sort through, and many people apparently feel the benefit received for time spent is too low.
That a version with a better cost/benefit ratio would appeal to many people seems unsurprising to me. Wikipedia's popularity is due in large part to our ability to satisfy that desire, rather than just suggesting they just get better at filtering out the information they don't want.
William