It is overkill because, the specific examples mentioned can be handled without cutting off our feet in the process. All non-mainspace covers an awful lot of territory. It is not all problematic, the specific examples mentioned are in specific areas which could be specifically addressed without the need to kill a mosquito with a sledgehammer.
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Not sold on the idea of all namespaces...AfD is currently blocked from google via robots.txt, I think we could use that for a few other pages. I don't think a global block on non-mainspace is needed, personally.
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 11:52 AM, WJhonson@aol.com wrote:
It is overkill because, the specific examples mentioned can be handled without cutting off our feet in the process. All non-mainspace covers an awful lot of territory. It is not all problematic, the specific examples mentioned are in specific areas which could be specifically addressed without the need to kill a mosquito with a sledgehammer.
Will Johnson
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On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
Not sold on the idea of all namespaces...AfD is currently blocked from google via robots.txt, I think we could use that for a few other pages. I don't think a global block on non-mainspace is needed, personally.
User:, User_talk: and Wikipedia: are useless search results for those outside of our project. So, in my opinion, is Talk:.
Google indexing seems to return these internal pages with the same rating as mainspace pages, where they clearly aren't. Us allowing this to continue is a bug.
-Matt
Matthew Brown wrote:
On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Alex G g1ggyman@gmail.com wrote:
Not sold on the idea of all namespaces...AfD is currently blocked from google via robots.txt, I think we could use that for a few other pages. I don't think a global block on non-mainspace is needed, personally.
User:, User_talk: and Wikipedia: are useless search results for those outside of our project. So, in my opinion, is Talk:.
Google indexing seems to return these internal pages with the same rating as mainspace pages, where they clearly aren't. Us allowing this to continue is a bug.
I don't see how it's a bug; if anything, the opposite would be a bug (and exceedingly unfriendly to boot). Wikipedia policy pages are important public information, and I frequently find them via search engines. If I search for "neutral point of view" on Google, I expect to find http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view, not to find no results because of some stupid bureaucratic reason.
-Mark
2008/4/28 Matthew Brown morven@gmail.com:
User:, User_talk: and Wikipedia: are useless search results for those outside of our project. So, in my opinion, is Talk:.
Google indexing seems to return these internal pages with the same rating as mainspace pages, where they clearly aren't. Us allowing this to continue is a bug.
This also gives the odd effect where if someone creates an article on themselves, and we helpfully userfy it... they end up with what they originally wanted, a Wikipedia article on themselves that turns up in Google. The average reader does not pay much attention to pagename prefixes, and we get not infrequent emails along the lines of "...why on earth is "User:JoeSmith" remaining as an article? It's clearly [fiction / nonsense / insignificant]..."
I would quite like some way for non-article pages - which, after all, look like articlespace to any casual reader - to be obviously Not An Article, or at least Not The Same As Mainspace. Any suggestions? Big red border?
We could start noindexing these pages - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Noindexing_Talk_Spaces
WilyD
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com wrote:
2008/4/28 Matthew Brown morven@gmail.com:
User:, User_talk: and Wikipedia: are useless search results for those outside of our project. So, in my opinion, is Talk:.
Google indexing seems to return these internal pages with the same rating as mainspace pages, where they clearly aren't. Us allowing this to continue is a bug.
This also gives the odd effect where if someone creates an article on themselves, and we helpfully userfy it... they end up with what they originally wanted, a Wikipedia article on themselves that turns up in Google. The average reader does not pay much attention to pagename prefixes, and we get not infrequent emails along the lines of "...why on earth is "User:JoeSmith" remaining as an article? It's clearly [fiction / nonsense / insignificant]..."
I would quite like some way for non-article pages - which, after all, look like articlespace to any casual reader - to be obviously Not An Article, or at least Not The Same As Mainspace. Any suggestions? Big red border?
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