-----Original Message----- From: Trebor Rowntree [mailto:trebor.rowntree@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 03:26 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP, and admin role in overriding community review
On 5/23/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
It does not run in a circle. If BLP is invoked the article remains deleted until it is determined by the arbitration committee that BLP does not apply.
This is news to me. I don't recall this happening, and thought the ArbCom stayed away from content disputes. Surely whether BLP applies is a community decision?
Consensus never trumps policy.
Fred
On 5/23/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
Consensus never trumps policy.
IAR has the effect that it can.
On 23/05/07, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/23/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
Consensus never trumps policy.
IAR has the effect that it can.
No, that's trumping process. NPOV, NOR and V are "if you don't like these you're on the wrong project."
- d.
On 5/23/07, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
No, that's trumping process. NPOV, NOR and V are "if you don't like these you're on the wrong project."
Strangly no one appears to be suggesting that the article is in violation of any of those. Just the false BLP issue (if something is properly souced BLP won't let you touch it).
On 5/23/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
Consensus never trumps policy.
Fred, unless things have changed since I was editing... didn't consensus form policy via actions on wiki? As in, everyone does something. It becomes standard process. Standard process becomes policy. Policyizing encodes and further enforces it, until another huge consensus shift moves the policies in a different direction.
There is nothing in BLP or previous ArbCom endorsing your statements--is this a new desired policy or modification and expansion of BLP? If so, who proposed it for the community to accept or reject, and when? A small group of admins does not unilaterally decide policy, and ArbCom doesn't make policy.
I asked as well,
What other cases and articles has this happened in, before, with this
method?
You said:
I don't think it has.
In other words, you just made up this new policy change? If not, please cite where it has widespread support.
Regards, Joe http://www.joeszilagyi.com