Has anyone talked to him about the inaccuracies? This may just be a misunderstanding. At the least, someone should tell him that he has added inaccuracies to his article, and then put the boiler from [[Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute]] on his contributions. Tell him why we are doing it, and give him a chance to correct his errors and become a contributor. This is the process we should go through.
-- Michael Becker
-----Original Message----- From: wikien-l-admin@wikipedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-admin@wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Stan Shebs Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12.43 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] User:Harry Potter
I agree. It sows an atmosphere of distrust, which, going by the pataphysics manifesto, is the goal. It's a waste of my time to research things and add them to an article if the rest of the article is fiction masquerading as fact; no reader is going to believe any of it. [[Templars in England]] looks plausible for instance, but given Harry Potter's other activities, how am I supposed to know if any of it is true? Better to vaporize it and start over.
Stan
Ohhh yes.
Here is a quote from HP on http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cimon_avaro
As we have noted, some of the people "correcting" these pages have adopted blanket reversions on account of a very povie view that fact and fantasy are two distinct categories, whereas I experience them as an interpenetrating dialectic unity. i.e. we can only comprehend the world through a skein of signification which is culturally constructed and which structures information. This rejection of hardline Cartesian dualism may also be povie, but then so is anyones contribution. It is the interaction of us as human beings which creates some sort of consensual reality, so the whole NPOV can only happen as a consequence of these interactions. This means we are all liable to experience frissance with people coming from cultures different or even anti-thetical to our own. OK that's life. Harry Potter.
And http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stan_Shebs
It is not a matter of "challenging the line between fact and fantasy" as this would be to assert some sort of legitimacy to such a putative line. Rather I am suggesting that such a line is a product of a point of view in motion and that different people see it in different ways. .... I find your suggestion that I should exclude myself from this project because I do not have a naive realist viewpoint hardly helpful. Harry Potter
Mintguy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Becker" wikipedia@jumpingjackweb.com To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:58 AM Subject: FW: [WikiEN-l] User:Harry Potter
Has anyone talked to him about the inaccuracies? This may just be a misunderstanding. At the least, someone should tell him that he has added inaccuracies to his article, and then put the boiler from [[Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute]] on his contributions. Tell him why we are doing it, and give him a chance to correct his errors and become a contributor. This is the process we should go through.
-- Michael Becker
-----Original Message----- From: wikien-l-admin@wikipedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-admin@wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Stan Shebs Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12.43 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] User:Harry Potter
I agree. It sows an atmosphere of distrust, which, going by the pataphysics manifesto, is the goal. It's a waste of my time to research things and add them to an article if the rest of the article is fiction masquerading as fact; no reader is going to believe any of it. [[Templars in England]] looks plausible for instance, but given Harry Potter's other activities, how am I supposed to know if any of it is true? Better to vaporize it and start over.
Stan
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Mintguy wrote at last, quoting Harry Potter:
I find your suggestion that I should exclude myself from this project because I do not have a naive realist viewpoint hardly helpful.
I knew that NPOV would run against this some day. There is a question as to whether HP is only trolling, but even if he is, some day we'll meet somebody that isn't.
-- Toby
Ai yi yi. Postmodernists, ai yi yi.
Eugene Gill wrote:
Ohhh yes.
Here is a quote from HP on http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cimon_avaro
As we have noted, some of the people "correcting" these pages have adopted blanket reversions on account of a very povie view that fact and fantasy are two distinct categories, whereas I experience them as an interpenetrating dialectic unity. i.e. we can only comprehend the world through a skein of signification which is culturally constructed and which structures information. This rejection of hardline Cartesian dualism may also be povie, but then so is anyones contribution. It is the interaction of us as human beings which creates some sort of consensual reality, so the whole NPOV can only happen as a consequence of these interactions. This means we are all liable to experience frissance with people coming from cultures different or even anti-thetical to our own. OK that's life. Harry Potter.
And http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stan_Shebs
It is not a matter of "challenging the line between fact and fantasy" as this would be to assert some sort of legitimacy to such a putative line. Rather I am suggesting that such a line is a product of a point of view in motion and that different people see it in different ways. .... I find your suggestion that I should exclude myself from this project because I do not have a naive realist viewpoint hardly helpful. Harry Potter
Mintguy
----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Becker" wikipedia@jumpingjackweb.com To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 2:58 AM Subject: FW: [WikiEN-l] User:Harry Potter
Has anyone talked to him about the inaccuracies? This may just be a misunderstanding. At the least, someone should tell him that he has added inaccuracies to his article, and then put the boiler from [[Wikipedia:Accuracy dispute]] on his contributions. Tell him why we are doing it, and give him a chance to correct his errors and become a contributor. This is the process we should go through.
-- Michael Becker
-----Original Message----- From: wikien-l-admin@wikipedia.org [mailto:wikien-l-admin@wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Stan Shebs Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 12.43 To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] User:Harry Potter
I agree. It sows an atmosphere of distrust, which, going by the pataphysics manifesto, is the goal. It's a waste of my time to research things and add them to an article if the rest of the article is fiction masquerading as fact; no reader is going to believe any of it. [[Templars in England]] looks plausible for instance, but given Harry Potter's other activities, how am I supposed to know if any of it is true? Better to vaporize it and start over.
Stan
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Jimmy Wales wrote:
Ai yi yi. Postmodernists, ai yi yi.
Wikipedia does seem to have a consistent bias towards naïve realism. As a naïve realist myself (except on Tuesdays), this doesn't rankle me, but we should try to keep other ideas in mind for NPOV.
-- Toby
----- Original Message ----- From: "Toby Bartels" toby+wikipedia@math.ucr.edu To: wikien-l@wikipedia.org Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] User:Harry Potter
Jimmy Wales wrote:
Ai yi yi. Postmodernists, ai yi yi.
Wikipedia does seem to have a consistent bias towards naïve realism. As a naïve realist myself (except on Tuesdays), this doesn't rankle me, but we should try to keep other ideas in mind for NPOV.
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please ignore my last two messages people - axidentaly autosent.
-SM
I meant my last one... now two. Umm...
please ignore my last two messages people - axidentaly autosent.
-SM
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