Where did this new donation banner in the edit window come from? It's friggin' huge! I'm not sure I like it- it's kind of distracting. Maybe I can get used to it, though...
2008/11/5 Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com
Where did this new donation banner in the edit window come from? It's friggin' huge! I'm not sure I like it- it's kind of distracting. Maybe I can get used to it, though...
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It's not so much the banner's presence that is bothering me, it's the fact that it's taking forever to load pages now.
Risker
Elias Friedman schreef:
Where did this new donation banner in the edit window come from? It's friggin' huge! I'm not sure I like it- it's kind of distracting. Maybe I can get used to it, though...
It's better than last time: at least the banner contains a "[hide]" link now. Of course, in an ideal world, this link would actually work.
Adding
#siteNotice {display:none !imortant}
to your monobook.css style sheet should work (if you use the Monobook skin, of course).
Eugene
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Eugene van der Pijll eugene@vanderpijll.nl wrote:
Adding
#siteNotice {display:none !imortant}
to your monobook.css style sheet should work (if you use the Monobook skin, of course).
Eugene
I also added a gadget that does the same thing -- it hides the Fundraising notice. You can turn it on by visiting the "Gadgets" tab in your preferences.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:40 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
I also added a gadget that does the same thing -- it hides the Fundraising notice. You can turn it on by visiting the "Gadgets" tab in your preferences.
-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023
That's all very well for English Wikipedia, but what about the hundreds of other places? Are you going to add the gadget elsewhere too?
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:40 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
I also added a gadget that does the same thing -- it hides the Fundraising notice. You can turn it on by visiting the "Gadgets" tab in your preferences.
That's all very well for English Wikipedia, but what about the hundreds of other places? Are you going to add the gadget elsewhere too?
They're free to create a gadget of their own, adding the same text to their skin.css, or just ignoring the banner. :-)
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:21 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
They're free to create a gadget of their own, adding the same text to their skin.css, or just ignoring the banner. :-)
It's all very well saying that, but such an obstructive irritatingly large thing is difficult to ignore. Hide should make it hide.
2008/11/5 Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com:
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Eugene van der Pijll eugene@vanderpijll.nl wrote:
Adding
#siteNotice {display:none !imortant}
to your monobook.css style sheet should work (if you use the Monobook skin, of course).
Eugene
I also added a gadget that does the same thing -- it hides the Fundraising notice. You can turn it on by visiting the "Gadgets" tab in your preferences.
Thank you. That big red blob (even collapsed!) was severely irritating.
Hello Elias,
this banner will only be up during our Annual Campaign, from today to January 15.
Please report any technical issues. We've got a special IRC channel set up on freenode.net, #wikimedia-2008-fundraiser.
Seriously, Erik...it could have waited until tomorrow. Tonight we are getting the heaviest traffic of the year because of the US election.
2008/11/5 Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org
Hello Elias,
this banner will only be up during our Annual Campaign, from today to January 15.
Please report any technical issues. We've got a special IRC channel set up on freenode.net, #wikimedia-2008-fundraiser. --
Could it not have waited until tomorrow? Tonight we are getting the heaviest traffic of the year because of the US election, just compounding the slowness of the servers. There is a problem when people's browsers time-out when loading their watchlists.
Risker
2008/11/4 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com:
Seriously, Erik...it could have waited until tomorrow. Tonight we are getting the heaviest traffic of the year because of the US election.
We're looking into the slowness right now - temporarily disabled on en.wikipedia.org.
eh.. maybe there's a method to the madness ;-)
I mean, what better way to put out our plea for funds than on our overburdened servers as they provide hotly sought-after information to millions of viewers who might not otherwise visit?
Versageek
Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 8:54:15 PM, Risker wrote:
R> Seriously, Erik...it could have waited until tomorrow. Tonight we are R> getting the heaviest traffic of the year because of the US election.
R> 2008/11/5 Erik Moeller erik@wikimedia.org
Hello Elias,
this banner will only be up during our Annual Campaign, from today to January 15.
Please report any technical issues. We've got a special IRC channel set up on freenode.net, #wikimedia-2008-fundraiser. --
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
Could it not have waited until tomorrow? Tonight we are getting the heaviest traffic of the year because of the US election,
What better time to run it?!@#
just compounding the slowness of the servers. There is a problem when people's browsers time-out when loading their watchlists.
It should never make things like watchlists slow, since it should be served 100% out of the front end caches. If it's causing slowness then there is a glitch which needs to be fixed and would likely have resulted in slowness no matter when it was run.
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
It should never make things like watchlists slow, since it should be served 100% out of the front end caches. If it's causing slowness then there is a glitch which needs to be fixed and would likely have resulted in slowness no matter when it was run.
There was an overload on the frontend LVS load balancer when we enabled the fundraising banner at 01:30 UTC, which caused a cascading overload of the Florida squid servers. We disabled the banner almost immediately, but it took about an hour to isolate and fix the remaining problems, during which time the site was slow or down.
Frontend load was redistributed and the banner was phased back in between 04:50 and 05:15 UTC.
There are no fundamental capacity constraints which might warrant disabling or downsizing the banner. It's just that we encountered unexpected software problems as we hit new traffic records.
-- Tim Starling
Erik Moeller wrote:
this banner will only be up during our Annual Campaign, from today to January 15.
So we'll "only" have to put up with a banner with a distracting solid-blood-red blob at the top of pages, which doesn't even go away when you hit "hide", for 2 1/2 months?
I don't mind a banner existing, but I do very much mind that it doesn't get hidden, or at least collapse into something small and text-only (without distracting blocks of color!) when I hit the "hide" button. Do you really think harrassing your volunteers is going to make them donate?
-Mark
2008/11/4 Delirium delirium@hackish.org:
So we'll "only" have to put up with a banner with a distracting solid-blood-red blob at the top of pages, which doesn't even go away when you hit "hide", for 2 1/2 months?
Oh please. You've been around long enough to know that these things are always an ongoing, iterative development. We already have a gadget on en.wp to turn it off completely through user prefs, and we'll probably do other things like having a smaller collapsed notice for logged in users. (Note we didn't have any collapsability for logged out users last year.)
I'm sure there will be lots of layout issues to debug as well. All help is appreciated.
At least have a small text only version for people that are signed in and have selected hide (should hide it completely from the screen to be honest or call it minimize) because its still bigish and draws your attention away from the articles.
Completely agree with K. Peachey, it is just too distracting, it's a relief to scroll up and lose it.
Giano
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:55 AM, K. Peachey p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
At least have a small text only version for people that are signed in and have selected hide (should hide it completely from the screen to be honest or call it minimize) because its still bigish and draws your attention away from the articles.
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On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:55 AM, K. Peachey p858snake@yahoo.com.au wrote:
At least have a small text only version for people that are signed in and have selected hide (should hide it completely from the screen to be honest or call it minimize) because its still bigish and draws your attention away from the articles.
Banner doesn't actually hide when hide is clicked, just goes slightly smaller. It needs to be hidden completely when you click hide - otherwise it's not really hiding it.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.comwrote:
Banner doesn't actually hide when hide is clicked, just goes slightly smaller. It needs to be hidden completely when you click hide - otherwise it's not really hiding it.
-- Alex (User:Majorly)
Don't know if you've gotten to that part of the thread, but a gadget has been added to preferences to get rid of it completely. Two points about this though:
One: Not only is unfair to unregistered users to have it not be possible for them to hide the huge thing all the way, just how many of the registered users are going to know to go to their gadgets? This list and other forums only reach so many...
Two: There *still* isn't a way to set up a regular monthly donation which would be my own preference.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Al Tally <majorly.wiki@googlemail.com
wrote:
Banner doesn't actually hide when hide is clicked, just goes slightly smaller. It needs to be hidden completely when you click hide - otherwise it's not really hiding it.
-- Alex (User:Majorly)
Don't know if you've gotten to that part of the thread, but a gadget has been added to preferences to get rid of it completely. Two points about this though:
One: Not only is unfair to unregistered users to have it not be possible for them to hide the huge thing all the way, just how many of the registered users are going to know to go to their gadgets? This list and other forums only reach so many...
Two: There *still* isn't a way to set up a regular monthly donation which would be my own preference.
Yes, I got there. I shouldn't have to disable it though. What about people who don't read this list? What about anons who are regular donators? Why should they have to suffer this large banner at the top of every page? Anons don't have gadgets anyway. I preferred it the way it was last time round, less obstructive.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com wrote:
Two: There *still* isn't a way to set up a regular monthly donation which would be my own preference.
Are you *sure* this doesn't work? http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising/USD/monthly It looks like it works for me. Keep in mind, that that link works through PayPal -- if you ever want to cancel, you have to do it through them.
In addition, the donation window screws up the {{pp-semi-vandalism}} templates, {{UserStatus}} templates, and all of those templates.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama, http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Addshore
X!
On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:31 AM [Nov 5, 2008 ], Casey Brown wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com wrote:
Two: There *still* isn't a way to set up a regular monthly donation which would be my own preference.
Are you *sure* this doesn't work? http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising/USD/monthly It looks like it works for me. Keep in mind, that that link works through PayPal -- if you ever want to cancel, you have to do it through them.
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On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Soxred93 soxred93@gmail.com wrote:
In addition, the donation window screws up the {{pp-semi-vandalism}} templates, {{UserStatus}} templates, and all of those templates.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama, http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Addshore
This has been a problem for just about every notice and donation banner. (also the coordinates and audio icons). We need to stop using absolute positioning hacks for those decorations. (and then disable absolute html positioning in Wikitext, as it's mostly used for vandalism and creating confusing traps for users)
On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
(and then disable absolute html positioning in Wikitext, as it's mostly used for vandalism and creating confusing traps for users)
Come now. It also has popular and enduring use for Myspaceification of user pages in ways that cause various pretty pictures to appear in positions that block the GFDL link.
-Phil
2008/11/5 Philip Sandifer snowspinner@gmail.com:
On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
(and then disable absolute html positioning in Wikitext, as it's mostly used for vandalism and creating confusing traps for users)
Come now. It also has popular and enduring use for Myspaceification of user pages in ways that cause various pretty pictures to appear in positions that block the GFDL link.
-Phil
Heh rather a lot of them make a mess of links to userpages in classic skin (but so does the padlock in the protection template). But there is enough legit use to leave it in.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Philip Sandifer snowspinner@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
(and then disable absolute html positioning in Wikitext, as it's mostly used for vandalism and creating confusing traps for users)
Come now. It also has popular and enduring use for Myspaceification of user pages in ways that cause various pretty pictures to appear in positions that block the GFDL link.
Ugh, yes. Getting rid of that can only be a good thing, not least for the violence it does to a page viewed under anything other than the default skin. What we really need to go alongside disabling absolute CSS positioning is a software-level way of detecting and announcing the protection level (etc) of a page.
I never read this list, but when the banner didn't go away when I hit hide, the first thing I did is search donation on the list and easily found the gadget. So for registered users that make semi-regular edits, I don't think it is too much of an imposition.
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com wrote:
... One: Not only is unfair to unregistered users to have it not be possible for them to hide the huge thing all the way, just how many of the registered users are going to know to go to their gadgets? This list and other forums only reach so many... ...
Elias, you say
"There *still* isn't a way to set up a regular monthly donation which would be my own preference."
I have to say this part is not cutting edge. Between 90% and 95% of all online giving to our charity is setting up regular small gifts, people buy the argument that maintenance costs (unlike investment or emergency relief) are ongoing. But several other elements of this campaign aren't very smart, as far as I can see. I wonder if any professional fundraisers were involved (they'll hate me if they were). FAQs like "why should I support WMF" and "what difference will my donation make" for example are rather sadly absent and the "what does this pay for" reads like "go and read the F***ing accounts stupid". Beyond which, banner ads are about three years expired as a way to raise money online. The massively cheapest and most effective way is to hook people out looking to donate to something via Google for which WMF seems completely resource-rich. But they choose to link footers on every page on Wikipedia to a disambig page in en on "charity" rather than to a really good pitch on WMF on why you should give and what our vision is. WMF doesn't even appear in the google search for "open software charity". Oh dear.
Andrew
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Elias Friedman elipongo@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Al Tally majorly.wiki@googlemail.comwrote:
Banner doesn't actually hide when hide is clicked, just goes slightly smaller. It needs to be hidden completely when you click hide - otherwise it's not really hiding it.
-- Alex (User:Majorly)
Don't know if you've gotten to that part of the thread, but a gadget has been added to preferences to get rid of it completely. Two points about this though:
One: Not only is unfair to unregistered users to have it not be possible for them to hide the huge thing all the way, just how many of the registered users are going to know to go to their gadgets? This list and other forums only reach so many...
Two: There *still* isn't a way to set up a regular monthly donation which would be my own preference.
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On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Andrew Cates Andrew@soschildren.org wrote:
FAQs like "why should I support WMF" and "what difference will my donation make" for example are rather sadly absent and the "what does this pay for" reads like "go and read the F***ing accounts stupid".
Oh, really? http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate/Questions/en#Why_should_I_donate_... LI
Ok, Casey, sorry missed that one, I am a bit rushed. However please note that the question is not actually answered. It gives a third party fact bite with a tag on "about you":
The job of the Wikimedia Foundation is to provide easy access to information, for people all over the world - free of charge, and free of advertising. As a non-profit, it is dependent on your help to do that. Your donations directly support some of the most popular collaboratively-edited reference projects in the world, including Wikipedia, one of the world's top ten most popular websites and the largest encyclopedia ever compiled in human history.
It should say:
You should support the WMF to help give better access to free reference to people all over the world. The Wikimedia projects, such as Wikipedia have been hugely successful in realising an amazing vision of people sharing knowledge. However there is still a long way to go until everyone can have free access to pooled human knowledge, and maintaining what we have already done also costs money. You can be part of our achievements and our vision by donating.
When we reworded our charity website in less formal language in 2004 online donations went up by a factor of twenty overnight from the same traffic. It is very important
Andrew
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:30 AM, Andrew Cates Andrew@soschildren.org wrote:
FAQs like "why should I support WMF" and "what difference will my donation make" for example are rather sadly absent and the "what does this pay for" reads like "go and read the F***ing accounts stupid".
Oh, really? http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate/Questions/en#Why_should_I_donate_... LI
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2008/11/6 Andrew Cates Andrew@soschildren.org:
Elias, you say
"There *still* isn't a way to set up a regular monthly donation which would be my own preference."
I have to say this part is not cutting edge. Between 90% and 95% of all online giving to our charity is setting up regular small gifts,
This is a British thing. Standing orders/direct debits/whatever are just not common in the US; they're almost de rigeur in the UK. It's much easier to ask for £5/mo rather than a lump of £60/yr. (WMUK can expect to be very well off indeed once it's got tax-deductible status. And then there's Gift Aid, which is basically FREE MONEY!)
Can WMF pioneer small monthly donations in the US?
- d.
2008/11/5 Delirium delirium@hackish.org
Erik Moeller wrote:
this banner will only be up during our Annual Campaign, from today to January 15.
So we'll "only" have to put up with a banner with a distracting solid-blood-red blob at the top of pages, which doesn't even go away when you hit "hide", for 2 1/2 months?
I don't mind a banner existing, but I do very much mind that it doesn't get hidden, or at least collapse into something small and text-only (without distracting blocks of color!) when I hit the "hide" button. Do you really think harrassing your volunteers is going to make them donate?
-Mark
Someone has very kindly written a script that is now available on the
Gadget tab in your preferences. I appreciate that there may have been thoughts that tonight would be the perfect opportunity to combine the fundraising with the anticipated increase in readership. One should keep in mind, however, that this is the first US presidential election since Wikipedia has become such a popular source of information, and nobody really knew what would happen. We had several articles getting 50K-150K hits/hour. Instead of reaching hundreds of thousands of potential donors, we unintentionally shut out a significant number of them. I will leave it to others to do the cost/benefit ratio.
Incidentally, thanks to the folks on the technical side of the house for putting things back together tonight for those of us whose feeds are through the Florida servers.
Risker