I have noticed an emerging trend for linkspammers to spam their sites on article talk pages, user pages and user talk pages, especially after failing to get their spam placed in an article itself. [[WP:SPAM]] does not have a clearly formulated policy on this from what I can see.
For instance, [[User:Hoodia]] was especially egregious today, spamming the [[Hoodia]] article, but also setting up a User talk page that consisted entirely of spam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hoodia&oldid=9431556...
This case is obvious and common sense, but I have seen more subtle issues recently, such as this editor listing her site www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/ after her signature:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AStephen_Barrett&diff=93... to bottom)
Does this count as linkspam? It struck me and other editors as inappropriate.
SEO spammers are going to want a working link from Wikipedia to improve results, so I suppose <nowiki> is an option in many of these cases. As another example, a longtime detractor of mine who was eventually blocked for linkspamming still managed to spam links removed from various articles to her bostonschoolofelectrolysis.com website via another editor's talk page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alphachimp/Archive_7#PLEASE_REPLY_AND...
This is now archived and indexed on Google, effectively achieving the desired result of a direct link from Wikipedia.
These phenomena seem like something we should address before it gets much worse. I guess the most contentious one would be links to one's own sites on one's User and User:Talk pages. I'm not sure how that line should be drawn. A blanket ban would probably drive some editors away, and any policy would probably have a lot of gray area regarding what's acceptable.
Jokestress
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I have noticed an emerging trend for linkspammers to spam their sites on article talk pages, user pages and user talk pages, especially after failing to get their spam placed in an article itself.
Well, if they do, they're no gaining much by it, at least not in terms of PageRank. All external links on talk pages have the rel="nofollow" attribute set, which means they are not counted by search engines.
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These phenomena seem like something we should address before it gets much worse. I guess the most contentious one would be links to one's own sites on one's User and User:Talk pages. I'm not sure how that line should be drawn. A blanket ban would probably drive some editors away, and any policy would probably have a lot of gray area regarding what's acceptable.
I'm sure that a pretty straightforward addition to WP:SPAM would be relatively uncontroversial if brought up there.
-Jeff
I think I agree with your breakdown...
Spam is spam. Linking to your own sites from your own personal user and user talk pages is fine and common practice. Putting an eternal link in your sig is an abomination from an aesthetic perspective if nothing else. :)
Deletion of spammy urls from pages, and indeed deletion of whole pages in some cases, are always a good idea. And blocking people who do such things is a good idea too.
A wrote:
I have noticed an emerging trend for linkspammers to spam their sites on article talk pages, user pages and user talk pages, especially after failing to get their spam placed in an article itself. [[WP:SPAM]] does not have a clearly formulated policy on this from what I can see.
For instance, [[User:Hoodia]] was especially egregious today, spamming the [[Hoodia]] article, but also setting up a User talk page that consisted entirely of spam:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hoodia&oldid=9431556...
This case is obvious and common sense, but I have seen more subtle issues recently, such as this editor listing her site www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/ after her signature:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AStephen_Barrett&diff=93... to bottom)
Does this count as linkspam? It struck me and other editors as inappropriate.
SEO spammers are going to want a working link from Wikipedia to improve results, so I suppose <nowiki> is an option in many of these cases. As another example, a longtime detractor of mine who was eventually blocked for linkspamming still managed to spam links removed from various articles to her bostonschoolofelectrolysis.com website via another editor's talk page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alphachimp/Archive_7#PLEASE_REPLY_AND...
This is now archived and indexed on Google, effectively achieving the desired result of a direct link from Wikipedia.
These phenomena seem like something we should address before it gets much worse. I guess the most contentious one would be links to one's own sites on one's User and User:Talk pages. I'm not sure how that line should be drawn. A blanket ban would probably drive some editors away, and any policy would probably have a lot of gray area regarding what's acceptable.
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