Bryan Derksen writes:
"Are there no inclusionist admins who would go on "deletion log patrol" if such a thing became common? Would you worry about a corresponding problem of unchecked undeletion?"
I'm the only person I know who does this regularly at present--there aren't presently a lot of articles being wrongly speedied so it only takes one person to check. I think the RC patrollers generally exercise good judgement. There is a tendency to stretch speedy criteria but this is mostly done with commonsense.
On Sep 13, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Tony Sidaway wrote:
I'm the only person I know who does this regularly at present--there aren't presently a lot of articles being wrongly speedied so it only takes one person to check. I think the RC patrollers generally exercise good judgement. There is a tendency to stretch speedy criteria but this is mostly done with commonsense.
As what looks like the most radical inclusionist in this debate, I should note that when I have the stomach for new pages patrol, about half the pages should die. Not all of these are clear cut speedies, but most of them are clear cut deletes. Since new pages patrol is pure hell, and your eyes burn rapidly from the stupid, I tend to be very supportive of people being given a long leash when they do it. The number of people who can contribute at least moderately OK articles on first edit is such that we can afford to lose the wholly illiterate to Comixpedia and other sites.
But as I look at Comixpedia, that's pretty obviously not who we lost.
-Snowspinner
On 9/13/05, Snowspinner Snowspinner@gmail.com wrote:
On Sep 13, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Tony Sidaway wrote:
I'm the only person I know who does this regularly at present--there aren't presently a lot of articles being wrongly speedied so it only takes one person to check. I think the RC patrollers generally exercise good judgement. There is a tendency to stretch speedy criteria but this is mostly done with commonsense.
As what looks like the most radical inclusionist in this debate, I should note that when I have the stomach for new pages patrol, about half the pages should die. Not all of these are clear cut speedies, but most of them are clear cut deletes. Since new pages patrol is pure hell, and your eyes burn rapidly from the stupid, I tend to be very supportive of people being given a long leash when they do it.
Half is a little high
The number of people who can contribute at least moderately OK articles on first edit is such that we can afford to lose the wholly illiterate to Comixpedia and other sites.
But as I look at Comixpedia, that's pretty obviously not who we lost.
-Snowspinner
People will leave for one reason or another. I work on a non wikimedia wiki.
On 9/13/05, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
Half is a little high
Actually i think half is a little low.
On 9/13/05, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:
As what looks like the most radical inclusionist in this debate, I should note that when I have the stomach for new pages patrol, about half the pages should die. Not all of these are clear cut speedies, but most of them are clear cut deletes. Since new pages patrol is pure hell, and your eyes burn rapidly from the stupid, I tend to be very supportive of people being given a long leash when they do it.
Half is a little high
No, it's not. If you exclude new redirects, I would say that between 50% and 75% of the new pages created on any given day are deletion fodder and get speedied. Note that you wouldn't know this unless you've actually done new page patrol, because the admins who do it tend to be very efficient at it; total crap pages only last a few minutes, typically. (Of course, sometimes the same page gets speedied ten times in as many minutes, too...)
Kelly
On 9/13/05, Tony Sidaway minorityreport@bluebottle.com wrote:
Bryan Derksen writes:
"Are there no inclusionist admins who would go on "deletion log patrol" if such a thing became common? Would you worry about a corresponding problem of unchecked undeletion?"
I'm the only person I know who does this regularly at present--there aren't presently a lot of articles being wrongly speedied so it only takes one person to check. I think the RC patrollers generally exercise good judgement. There is a tendency to stretch speedy criteria but this is mostly done with commonsense.
I feel sorry for you if you cheack out all those copyvios.