Would people check out this pricks edits please and state on his rfc if he is a simple vandal that can be blocked by any admin or a more usual POV pusher that needs to go to the AC.
It's a bit of an in-between case IMO. I think he's a vandal who is here to get his kicks from insulting people, but maybe I am biased because he's called me part of a "lunatic fringe".
What do other people think?
Theresa
My vote is for "POV pusher". His inflexibility and his inability to work with others towards a neutral article are the main reasons I asked for protection on [[circumcision]].
Is there something in the T&C about not publishing your POV? If there isnt there should be! Comments and views are ok on the discussion page, but when they are posted on the main article page it 'sours the article' so to speak.
This would probably solve 99% of most of the arguments.
But this is probaby off topic and wrong anyway, so what the heck!
Regards,
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:14:28 -0500, Jim Redmond jim@scrubnugget.com wrote:
My vote is for "POV pusher". His inflexibility and his inability to work with others towards a neutral article are the main reasons I asked for protection on [[circumcision]].
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I think referring to him as "this prick" is not cool despite his referring to you as part of the "lunatic fringe".
Fred
From: "KNOTT, T" tknott@qcl.org.uk Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:04:21 +0100 To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Robert Brookes
Would people check out this pricks edits please and state on his rfc if he is a simple vandal that can be blocked by any admin or a more usual POV pusher that needs to go to the AC.
It's a bit of an in-between case IMO. I think he's a vandal who is here to get his kicks from insulting people, but maybe I am biased because he's called me part of a "lunatic fringe".
What do other people think?
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I understand the frustration behind the outburst, however!
-Morven
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:47:06 -0600, Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net wrote:
I think referring to him as "this prick" is not cool despite his referring to you as part of the "lunatic fringe".
Fred
From: "KNOTT, T" tknott@qcl.org.uk Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:04:21 +0100 To: "English Wikipedia" wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Robert Brookes
Would people check out this pricks edits please and state on his rfc if he is a simple vandal that can be blocked by any admin or a more usual POV pusher that needs to go to the AC.
It's a bit of an in-between case IMO. I think he's a vandal who is here to get his kicks from insulting people, but maybe I am biased because he's called me part of a "lunatic fringe".
What do other people think?
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Oh, yeah, me too. I don't blame her one bit. I'm totally behind Theresa on this observation.
-Mike H
Matt Brown morven@gmail.com wrote: I understand the frustration behind the outburst, however!
-Morven
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:47:06 -0600, Fred Bauder wrote:
I think referring to him as "this prick" is not cool despite his referring to you as part of the "lunatic fringe".
Fred
From: "KNOTT, T" Reply-To: English Wikipedia Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:04:21 +0100 To: "English Wikipedia" Subject: [WikiEN-l] Robert Brookes
Would people check out this pricks edits please and state on his rfc if he is a simple vandal that can be blocked by any admin or a more usual POV pusher that needs to go to the AC.
It's a bit of an in-between case IMO. I think he's a vandal who is here to get his kicks from insulting people, but maybe I am biased because he's called me part of a "lunatic fringe".
What do other people think?
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At some point you will need to talk with "the prick" and try to get him to come around.
Fred
From: Mike Halterman haltermannews@yahoo.com Reply-To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:29:12 -0700 (PDT) To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@Wikipedia.org Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Robert Brookes
Oh, yeah, me too. I don't blame her one bit. I'm totally behind Theresa on this observation.
-Mike H
Matt Brown morven@gmail.com wrote: I understand the frustration behind the outburst, however!
-Morven
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:47:06 -0600, Fred Bauder wrote:
I think referring to him as "this prick" is not cool despite his referring to you as part of the "lunatic fringe".
Fred
From: "KNOTT, T" Reply-To: English Wikipedia Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 17:04:21 +0100 To: "English Wikipedia" Subject: [WikiEN-l] Robert Brookes
Would people check out this pricks edits please and state on his rfc if he is a simple vandal that can be blocked by any admin or a more usual POV pusher that needs to go to the AC.
It's a bit of an in-between case IMO. I think he's a vandal who is here to get his kicks from insulting people, but maybe I am biased because he's called me part of a "lunatic fringe".
What do other people think?
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His account is a month old with <500 edits. I have warned him that if he continues to make personal attacks, he will be blocked.
That said, offensive as he may be, referring to him as a prick is, as you know, not good.
-Snowspinner
On 09/09/04 23:52, Jimmy (Jimbo) Wales wrote:
Yeah, let's try to relax a bit. I'm sure she's right about the situation, but we don't have to get all heated up about it.
Nah. But we do need a way to deal with these people. Robert Brookes is to anti-circumcision as Mr-Natural-Health is to alternative medicine. He's a strident POV-pusher on a crusade, given to personal abusiveness, with no intention of stopping until his mission is accomplished.
(We need a name for this phenomenon. "Abusive crusader"?)
I see our options as follows:
1. Do little or nothing while he wreaks havoc as per MNH. That's not havoc with the articles, but with the contributors. Remember that one of MNH's most damaging effects was scaring other editors off having ANYTHING to do with alternative-medicine-related articles.
2. Deal with this variety of problem child a little faster than MNH. The arbcom came to a suitable decision the second time (the first one having proven inadequate because a second was needed, but it was early days for the arbcom) with MNH; one can hope this style of abusive editor can be dealt with quicker in future.
3. Come up with a hithertho-unknown method of reforming this sort of user. This would presumably exclude anything that was tried with MNH and failed, for the idealists reading this.
I *strongly* suggest option 2. But I could of course be wrong.
So. What will it be?
- d.