This occured to me recently - wouldn't it make a lot of sense to lower the threshold to 50% for a successful undeletion of speedies? I'm all for keeping the 75% threshold for stuff deleted via *fd, since *fd deletions require consensus to achieve, it makes sense to require a high standard to overturn that decision, however if an article has been speedied (ie the deletion judgment was made by one admin, rather than a discussion on *fd), and 60% of people think that it shouldn't have been, surely there is something wrong there.
Sure, I know that voting is evil, Wikipedia is not a democracy and so on, but shouldn't speedies (or, to be more precise, an individual admin's interpretation of whether a page meets the speedy deletion criteria) which are not subject to any community scrutiny be easier to overturn than *fd votes, which are?
Cynical
The number people giving input is very low on some prod and *fd's, too.
Sydney
David Alexander Russell wrote:
This occured to me recently - wouldn't it make a lot of sense to lower the threshold to 50% for a successful undeletion of speedies? I'm all for keeping the 75% threshold for stuff deleted via *fd, since *fd deletions require consensus to achieve, it makes sense to require a high standard to overturn that decision, however if an article has been speedied (ie the deletion judgment was made by one admin, rather than a discussion on *fd), and 60% of people think that it shouldn't have been, surely there is something wrong there.
Sure, I know that voting is evil, Wikipedia is not a democracy and so on, but shouldn't speedies (or, to be more precise, an individual admin's interpretation of whether a page meets the speedy deletion criteria) which are not subject to any community scrutiny be easier to overturn than *fd votes, which are?
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The undeletion policy gives any administrator the power to undelete a wrongly deleted article. There's no need to go to DRV. If someone disagrees they can take it to AfD where a consensus would be required to delete.
Yeah, but unless you happen to have an administrator who knows how the article has developed (and if it's a niche subject the chances are there won't be) it's very unlikely that such an undeletion would take place - and in the recent cases where this undeletion power has been exercised, it has resulted in wheel warring, desyoppings and flamewars.
Cynical
Tony Sidaway wrote:
The undeletion policy gives any administrator the power to undelete a wrongly deleted article. There's no need to go to DRV. If someone disagrees they can take it to AfD where a consensus would be required to delete. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
On 3/26/06, David Alexander Russell webmaster@davidarussell.co.uk wrote:
Tony Sidaway wrote:
The undeletion policy gives any administrator the power to undelete a wrongly deleted article. There's no need to go to DRV. If someone disagrees they can take it to AfD where a consensus would be required to delete.
Yeah, but unless you happen to have an administrator who knows how the article has developed (and if it's a niche subject the chances are there won't be) it's very unlikely that such an undeletion would take place - and in the recent cases where this undeletion power has been exercised, it has resulted in wheel warring, desyoppings and flamewars.
I think you're exaggerating wildly. I'm aware of one or two silly spats, but mostly undeletion of a wrongly deleted article is uncontroversial. I've done dozens and dozens of them.
According to [[WP:DRV]], 50% would be enough to overturn a speedy deletion and send it back to the relevant *FD:
"If there is neither a majority to endorse the decision nor a three-quarters supermajority to overturn and apply some other result, the article is *relisted* on the relevant deletion process."
--Christopher Parham
On 3/26/2006 11:15 AM, David Alexander Russell wrote:
This occured to me recently - wouldn't it make a lot of sense to lower the threshold to 50% for a successful undeletion of speedies? I'm all for keeping the 75% threshold for stuff deleted via *fd, since *fd deletions require consensus to achieve, it makes sense to require a high standard to overturn that decision, however if an article has been speedied (ie the deletion judgment was made by one admin, rather than a discussion on *fd), and 60% of people think that it shouldn't have been, surely there is something wrong there.
Sure, I know that voting is evil, Wikipedia is not a democracy and so on, but shouldn't speedies (or, to be more precise, an individual admin's interpretation of whether a page meets the speedy deletion criteria) which are not subject to any community scrutiny be easier to overturn than *fd votes, which are?
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