On 8/8/05, jjleahy@umich.edu jjleahy@umich.edu wrote:
This mailing list often serves the purpose of allowing "old timers" to discuss Wikipedia policy, but it gets its share of newbies asking things like requesting article changes (which if they knew what Wikipedia was they could do themselves). [...] One idea is to make a new mailing list specifically for newcomers to Wikipedia, which would be manned by a group of people that respond to newcomers and lead them places where they could learn more
Since this is a great idea and there were no objections to it over the last month, Jeronim has created this list. It is called helpdesk-l
I would like to encourage anyone interested in helping newbies to join this list and answer questions there. You can subscribe at http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/helpdesk-l
If anyone would like to be the list admin, please let me know.
Angela.
Is there a way to organize something to force some users that don't know what NPOV really means to learn it from Administrators assisting them? I just think that those that don't understand what NPOV mean should not contribute in Wikipedia, plain and simple.
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You just keep repeating your interpretation and listening to that of others. It helps to occasionally consult the text and quote from it. Maybe the Arbitration Committee's interpretation, "NPOV contemplates that all significant points of view shall be included and fairly represented" helps too.
Fred
On Sep 4, 2005, at 7:23 PM, Fadix wrote:
Is there a way to organize something to force some users that don't know what NPOV really means to learn it from Administrators assisting them? I just think that those that don't understand what NPOV mean should not contribute in Wikipedia, plain and simple.
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Fadix wrote:
Is there a way to organize something to force some users that don't know what NPOV really means to learn it from Administrators assisting them? I just think that those that don't understand what NPOV mean should not contribute in Wikipedia, plain and simple.
The wiki does not operate by force.
We were all newbies at one time, and we learned to understand NPOV through experience (though some who have been around for a long time still don't understand it). Help from administrators is fine, but when those administrators insist upon a particular interpretation of NPOV they are no longer acting in the spirit of NPOV.
Ec
If anyone would like to be the list admin, please let me know.
Angela
I'll volunteer to do it, though I think that we should have more than one listadmin so that there's someone around even if one person takes a vacation or becomes inactive, or something of that sort. Btw, any idea what to name this list?
-Jtkiefer
Jtkiefer wrote:
I'll volunteer to do it, though I think that we should have more than one listadmin so that there's someone around even if one person takes a vacation or becomes inactive, or something of that sort. Btw, any idea what to name this list?
-Jtkiefer
It looks like you already found some but I'm still more than willing to volunteer my services in being a listadmin.
-Jtkiefer
On 10/9/05, Jtkiefer jtkiefer@wordzen.net wrote:
If anyone would like to be the list admin, please let me know.
Angela
I'll volunteer to do it, though I think that we should have more than one listadmin so that there's someone around even if one person takes a vacation or becomes inactive, or something of that sort. Btw, any idea what to name this list?
-Jtkiefer
You may have already found this out, but it's called Helpdesk-l : http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/helpdesk-l
Cheers, Cormac
Cormac Lawler wrote:
You may have already found this out, but it's called Helpdesk-l : http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/helpdesk-l
Cheers, Cormac
Yeah, actually kinda funny. a few days ago I subscribed to the list before the request for list admins
-Jtkiefer
On 10/9/05, Jtkiefer jtkiefer@wordzen.net wrote:
Cormac Lawler wrote:
You may have already found this out, but it's called Helpdesk-l : http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/helpdesk-l
Cheers, Cormac
Yeah, actually kinda funny. a few days ago I subscribed to the list before the request for list admins
-Jtkiefer
Hm? Angela's announcement of the list and request for admins was on September 4th!
C
Cormac Lawler wrote:
Hm? Angela's announcement of the list and request for admins was on September 4th!
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Well it looks like I missed my chance then unless Angela still needs more people, I haven't seen her around in a few days so I haven't gotten the chance to ask her
-Jtkiefer
On 10/9/05, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
Hm? Angela's announcement of the list and request for admins was on September 4th!
Yes, it was a month ago, and there are now four list admins, which is more than enough. However, help is still needed with actually answering the questions sent to that list, which anyone can do by just subscribing at http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/helpdesk-l
Angela.
I don't see the point of a mailing list for that when there's a page on wikipedia
On 10/10/05, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
On 10/9/05, Cormac Lawler cormaggio@gmail.com wrote:
Hm? Angela's announcement of the list and request for admins was on September 4th!
Yes, it was a month ago, and there are now four list admins, which is more than enough. However, help is still needed with actually answering the questions sent to that list, which anyone can do by just subscribing at http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/helpdesk-l
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On 10/10/05, Ilya N. ilyanep@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see the point of a mailing list for that when there's a page on wikipedia
There's a good probability, at least to my eye, that people simply don't get the helpdesk - they leave questions, sort of, eventually - but they just never come back and look at them again. A sizable proportion of "please explain what you mean"s are never replied to - how often do people (esp. with the completely random things) look back to the helpdesk?
Email at least ensures we can know that they *got* the answer, even if they ignore it. It's also a friendlier medium - people understand email a lot better than they do a (heavily trafficked) wikipage, and so it's going to be more productive.
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You may have already found this out, but it's called Helpdesk-l : http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/helpdesk-l
Does that mailing list have a gmane newsgroup equivalent?
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Timwi wrote:
You may have already found this out, but it's called Helpdesk-l : http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/helpdesk-l
Does that mailing list have a gmane newsgroup equivalent?
It doesn't look like it, at least searchs for "wikipedia" and "wikimedia" didn't turn it up...
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