On 4/2/06, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
My assertion remains the menu words do not have to be words in Simple English.
For example "portal" - is that meaning (of that word) in Simple English?
I'm not an expert on SE, but just to follow the logic of this conversation, "portal" would appear to be a specialised vocabulary word defined for the purpose of Wikipedia (as far as the SE universe goes). There's no good reason to define "recent" the same way, when it's only going to be used for that single page, "recent changes".
That said, either "New changes" or "Newest changes" seem quite reasonable to me.
Steve
At 09:59 +0200 3/4/06, Steve Bennett wrote:
On 4/2/06, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
My assertion remains the menu words do not have to be words in Simple English.
For example "portal" - is that meaning (of that word) in Simple English?
I'm not an expert on SE, but just to follow the logic of this conversation, "portal" would appear to be a specialised vocabulary word defined for the purpose of Wikipedia (as far as the SE universe goes). There's no good reason to define "recent" the same way, when it's only going to be used for that single page, "recent changes".
Surely all pages that show that set of navigation elements?
That said, either "New changes" or "Newest changes" seem quite reasonable to me.
Steve
"New changes" is fine.
So, "portal". Is that in "Simple English"? And is the modern meaning in Simple English?
What seems to be missing, as with much in Wikipedia, is semantic content. Links are created all over Wikipedia (Full English) which link on word meaning and ignore the context (meaning).
I looked in recent Featured Articles, and could not find a good example. Maybe these semantic blips are weeding out under a fuller review.
And people who write Simple English pages are creating some very strange English. Does this help the reader?
Gordo
Gordon Joly wrote:
At 09:59 +0200 3/4/06, Steve Bennett wrote:
On 4/2/06, Gordon Joly gordon.joly@pobox.com wrote:
My assertion remains the menu words do not have to be words in Simple English.
For example "portal" - is that meaning (of that word) in Simple English?
I'm not an expert on SE, but just to follow the logic of this conversation, "portal" would appear to be a specialised vocabulary word defined for the purpose of Wikipedia (as far as the SE universe goes). There's no good reason to define "recent" the same way, when it's only going to be used for that single page, "recent changes".
Surely all pages that show that set of navigation elements?
That said, either "New changes" or "Newest changes" seem quite reasonable to me.
Steve
"New changes" is fine.
So, "portal". Is that in "Simple English"? And is the modern meaning in Simple English?
Well, the word "portal" wrt. Wikipedia actually refers to a [[Web portal]] - a very recent (oh wait, they don't know what /that/ means either) - um, new - concept (do they know what that means?) - idea which is very hard to make any more simple. Kind of like an axiom in mathematics.
What seems to be missing, as with much in Wikipedia, is semantic content. Links are created all over Wikipedia (Full English) which link on word meaning and ignore the context (meaning).
You're always welcome to link to Wiktionary articles by prefixing the link with wikt: - eg. [[wikt:verb]].
I looked in recent Featured Articles, and could not find a good example. Maybe these semantic blips are weeding out under a fuller review.
And people who write Simple English pages are creating some very strange English. Does this help the reader?
Thanks for your suggestion. Wikipedia is a wiki, which means that anyone can edit...
Well, the word "portal" wrt. Wikipedia actually refers to a [[Web portal]] - a very recent (oh wait, they don't know what /that/ means either) - um, new - concept (do they know what that means?) - idea which is very hard to make any more simple. Kind of like an axiom in mathematics.
Many articles in "Simple English Wikimedia" are defining and expanding on terms outside the Simple English vocubulary. So why not the menu items??!?!?
And I know what an axiom is. I think we are talking more about "atoms".
What seems to be missing, as with much in Wikipedia, is semantic content. Links are created all over Wikipedia (Full English) which link on word meaning and ignore the context (meaning).
You're always welcome to link to Wiktionary articles by prefixing the link with wikt: - eg. [[wikt:verb]].
I looked in recent Featured Articles, and could not find a good example. Maybe these semantic blips are weeding out under a fuller review.
And people who write Simple English pages are creating some very strange English. Does this help the reader?
Thanks for your suggestion. Wikipedia is a wiki, which means that anyone can edit...
But editors must write in "Simple English" http://simple.wikipedia.org/ and nothing else? Or am I missing something?
I want to change the menus on http://simple.wikipedia.org/. Therefore, I must become an admin and gain a common agreement. Only sysops can change a menu item.
Yes, I want to edit the menu.
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_English_GFDL
Says it all....
Someone thinks that this page does not use Simple English. This does not mean that the page is bad. It may be too difficult for some users to understand. You can help Wikipedia by making the page simpler. For tips on making this article better, read "How to write Simple English articles".