Incorrect. It started off that way, but has evolved as more. It exists independantly from NS. It has its own web pages, outside NationStates. I do see your point not all micronations can be listed, and that Ariddia is far from a major one. I'm withdrawing request for it to be listed - though I do appreciate your replies. In future, perhaps Rick could bother to be a little more curteous, and to check up on what he's talking about. Just a friendly suggestion. All in all, keep up the good work in Wikipedia! Thank you for your time, and sorry for the bother.
Regards, Adrian
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Ariddia is the creation of this user on NationStates, which is a GAME. The creations at NationStates are not to be considered as even on the same level as the crackpot "nations" that crop up from time to time on [[List of microstates]]. *I* have a country on NationStates, and if you look at any of the informatoin on that page, you can see that NOBODY on NationStates take their creations seriously. There are THOUSANDS of fake "nations" on NationStates. If everybody there wanted to come to Wikipedia to add their fake country to it, we would be swamped (I know, "slipper slope argument"). But Ariddia is not a real place, it is not registered at a real place, it is not intended to be a real place, it is nothing but a place created to play the game.
RickK
aridd wrote: Greetings.
I have a question, and I hope this is the right place to ask it... I saw that Wikipedia has a page listing micronations and with links to other pages containing information on each of those micronations. I contributed a page with a micronation. It was deleted, and I received an IP ban:
Your user name or IP address has been blocked by RickK. The reason given is this: repeated creaton [sic] of nonsense articles You may contact RickK or one of the other administrators to discuss the block. Note that you may not use the "email this user" feature unless you have a valid email address registered in your user preferences. Your IP address is . Please include this address in any queries you make.
My entry was a serious one, and I only made one (NOT repeated entries). I understand that Wikipedia might feel my contribution was not a useful one, and I will not repeat it. Obviously, not everything can be accepted. However, I would have appreciated that explanation being given me, rather than the above offensive message.
I apologise for the invconveniance, and also if this was not the right place to send this message.
Kind regards, Adrian
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Funny how the only hits for Ariddia on Google are for NationStates and something called http://emiryang.net/ariddia/asp/intro/intro.asp, which wants me to download foreign script. Not exactly a rousing endorsement.
RickK
aridd aridd@wanadoo.fr wrote:
Incorrect. It started off that way, but has evolved as more. It exists independantly from NS. It has its own web pages, outside NationStates. I do see your point not all micronations can be listed, and that Ariddia is far from a major one. I'm withdrawing request for it to be listed - though I do appreciate your replies. In future, perhaps Rick could bother to be a little more curteous, and to check up on what he's talking about. Just a friendly suggestion. All in all, keep up the good work in Wikipedia! Thank you for your time, and sorry for the bother.
Regards,
Adrian
Message du 07/12/03 08:38 De : Rick A : aridd@wanadoo.fr, English Wikipedia Copie � : Objet : Re: [WikiEN-l] Question Ariddia is the creation of this user on NationStates, which is a GAME. The creations at NationStates are not to be considered as even on the same level as the crackpot "nations" that crop up from time to time on [[List of microstates]]. *I* have a country on NationStates, and if you look at any of the informatoin on that page, you can see that NOBODY on NationStates take their creations seriously. There are THOUSANDS of fake "nations" on NationStates. If everybody there wanted to come to Wikipedia to add their fake country to it, we would be swamped (I know, "slipper slope argument"). But Ariddia is not a real place, it is not registered at a real place, it is not intended to be a real place, it is nothing but a place created to play the game.
RickK
aridd wrote: Greetings.
I have a question, and I hope this is the right place to ask it... I saw that Wikipedia has a page listing micronations and with links to other pages containing information on each of those micronations. I contributed a page with a micronation. It was deleted, and I received an IP ban:
Your user name or IP address has been blocked by RickK. The reason given is this: repeated creaton [sic] of nonsense articles You may contact RickK or one of the other administrators to discuss the block. Note that you may not use the "email this user" feature unless you have a valid email address registered in your user preferences. Your IP address is . Please include this address in any queries you make.
My entry was a serious one, and I only made one (NOT repeated entries). I understand that Wikipedia might feel my contribution was not a useful one, and I will not repeat it. Obviously, not everything can be accepted. However, I would have appreciated that explanation being given me, rather than the above offensive message.
I apologise for the invconveniance, and also if this was not the right place to send this message.
Kind regards, Adrian
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RickK wrote:
aridd (Adrian) wrote:
Incorrect. It started off that way, but has evolved as more. It exists independantly from NS. It has its own web pages, outside NationStates. I do see your point not all micronations can be listed, and that Ariddia is far from a major one. I'm withdrawing request for it to be listed - though I do appreciate your replies. In future, perhaps Rick could bother to be a little more curteous, and to check up on what he's talking about. Just a friendly suggestion. All in all, keep up the good work in Wikipedia! Thank you for your time, and sorry for the bother.
Funny how the only hits for Ariddia on Google are for NationStates and something called http://emiryang.net/ariddia/asp/intro/intro.asp, which wants me to download foreign script. Not exactly a rousing endorsement.
Adrian is not trying to get Ariddia on Wikipedia anymore, so we don't need to press the point. But for the record, the foreign script is Korean. But I can't read Korean, so I don't know if that's Adrian's Ariddia or not. In any case, there are several pages at that site (many more than Google realises), so it would validate Adrian's claim if that is indeed his Ariddia. (But Adrian is French, not Korean, right?)
Anyway, Adrian can tell us where his country's web site is if he likes; but it's not necessary since the matter of Wikipedian content is resolved.
As for Wikipedia bans and block policy, however, I'm not sure that's resolved. Was RickK right to block Adrian? Was Adrian a vandal? I don't think so. But I'm not sure what the blocks justification was, since it's not in the log.
-- Toby
Toby Bartels wrote:
As for Wikipedia bans and block policy, however, I'm not sure that's resolved. Was RickK right to block Adrian? Was Adrian a vandal? I don't think so. But I'm not sure what the blocks justification was, since it's not in the log.
It is in the log. See [[Wikipedia:Block_log]], not [[Special:Ipblocklist]]):
04:01, 7 Dec 2003 RickK blocked "203.51.60.29" (repeated creaton of nonsense articles) 05:00, 7 Dec 2003 Angela unblocked "203.51.60.29" (Was blocked without warning. See http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-December/008819.html)
I'm not saying it was necessarily wrong to block this user, but it was certainly wrong to block him without warning. He had only made three edits to an existing article and created a new one twice. This isn't a huge number of edits and they were all easily reversible, so there was no emergency need to block him in my opinion.
Angela.
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Angela wrote:
Toby Bartels wrote:
As for Wikipedia bans and block policy, however, I'm not sure that's resolved. Was RickK right to block Adrian? Was Adrian a vandal? I don't think so. But I'm not sure what the blocks justification was, since it's not in the log.
It is in the log. See [[Wikipedia:Block_log]], not [[Special:Ipblocklist]]):
I'm not saying it was necessarily wrong to block this user, but it was certainly wrong to block him without warning. He had only made three edits to an existing article and created a new one twice. This isn't a huge number of edits and they were all easily reversible, so there was no emergency need to block him in my opinion.
I agree. When Sysops are too quick to use heavy-handed methods against newcomers they are often more harmful than the problems that they pretend to solve. There was a time when everybody would be outraged when Ed Poor was too quick to block pages or ban users. From the little that I've seen about Adrian, he has been more than willing to adapt when the problem was explained to him. Trying to impose excessive orthodoxy just drives people away.
Ec
I think the block log only lasts for 24 hours, right? At any rate, I did explain my justification when I blocked him, as is required.
RickK
Toby Bartels toby+wikipedia@math.ucr.edu wrote: As for Wikipedia bans and block policy, however, I'm not sure that's resolved. Was RickK right to block Adrian? Was Adrian a vandal? I don't think so. But I'm not sure what the blocks justification was, since it's not in the log.
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RickK wrote:
I think the block log only lasts for 24 hours, right? At any rate, I did explain my justification when I blocked him, as is required.
It's still listed in [[Wikipedia:Block log]], which goes back to Nov 24. (Thanks to Angela for reminding me about that page -- I plum forgot!)
And I don't mean to imply that you kept your reason for blocking secret; I just didn't remember exactly what had been said in that block (assuming that Adrian even quoted it in his original post).
All things considered, it does seem to have been an unjustified block, in the absence of a message on the user talk page (or similar contact). No need to beat you up over it, however.
-- Toby