White Cat said: +++++ Its very different, those are biographic articles. +++++
Guess what? Three out of four of those articles were created only AFTER the indiscretion of the subject made them famous enough for Wikipedia to go after them. Look at the History tab on each article. Go to the first version of the article. Look at the dates. Look at what wrongdoing is mentioned in the first version. Only Quincy Troupe's article was created with the good intentions that you seem to seek (and even then, it looks like the article was created out of content that really appears to have been a copyright violation, though I can't find the original source).
White Cat, you can't have it both ways. I've just demonstrated that in 75% of the sample articles, the sole reason somebody entered them into Wikipedia was to save someone else's indiscretion for all posterity. Then, when it concerns someone within Wikipedia, you want to erase it.
Phil Sandifer said: +++++ He was a kid when he made his mistakes... +++++
I thought Essjay was over the age of 21 when he started editing Wikipedia with a back-story of false credentials. I don't know which culture calls a 22 or 23 year old a "kid", unless you're just patronizing him.
Seriously, folks. I'm not trying to make Essjay's life one of misery for the rest of his days. I'm just saying there's a boatload of hypocrisy when all these reasons are trotted out why Wikipedia needs to sweep this particular one under the rug. Do you not think that very act might draw even MORE attention to this event? Nobody noticed when the eight federal prosecutors were fired. What brought the 9 million media hits was the denial, the cover-up, the whole scene of Gonzales pressuring Ashcroft in a hospital bed. The more you work to hide/protect/spare Essjay from the public eye, the more exposure you actually bring.
That is not a notability criteria. Many articles of similar individuals (football coaches and etc) were also created on wikipedia w/o a conspiracy. Your "sample" wasn't a random selection. All articles must be created with good intentions.
"The more you work to hide/protect/spare Essjay from the public eye, the more exposure you actually bring." I can care less about Essjay's emotional well being at this point. That isn't the point of my post.
- White Cat
On 6/28/07, Gregory Kohs thekohser@gmail.com wrote:
White Cat said: +++++ Its very different, those are biographic articles. +++++
Guess what? Three out of four of those articles were created only AFTER the indiscretion of the subject made them famous enough for Wikipedia to go after them. Look at the History tab on each article. Go to the first version of the article. Look at the dates. Look at what wrongdoing is mentioned in the first version. Only Quincy Troupe's article was created with the good intentions that you seem to seek (and even then, it looks like the article was created out of content that really appears to have been a copyright violation, though I can't find the original source).
White Cat, you can't have it both ways. I've just demonstrated that in 75% of the sample articles, the sole reason somebody entered them into Wikipedia was to save someone else's indiscretion for all posterity. Then, when it concerns someone within Wikipedia, you want to erase it.
Phil Sandifer said: +++++ He was a kid when he made his mistakes... +++++
I thought Essjay was over the age of 21 when he started editing Wikipedia with a back-story of false credentials. I don't know which culture calls a 22 or 23 year old a "kid", unless you're just patronizing him.
Seriously, folks. I'm not trying to make Essjay's life one of misery for the rest of his days. I'm just saying there's a boatload of hypocrisy when all these reasons are trotted out why Wikipedia needs to sweep this particular one under the rug. Do you not think that very act might draw even MORE attention to this event? Nobody noticed when the eight federal prosecutors were fired. What brought the 9 million media hits was the denial, the cover-up, the whole scene of Gonzales pressuring Ashcroft in a hospital bed. The more you work to hide/protect/spare Essjay from the public eye, the more exposure you actually bring.
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