Since voting for the new project wikinews is well under way... I would like to mention 2 things.
When Erik set the vote, he set the voting bar at 50%. That means that if the number of approval is just over the number of disapproval, the project will be accepted (and obviously, it will be, since much more than 50% of people are supportive).
I would like to first remind that *I* asked Erik to set a vote, to avoid any further accusation of unilateral decision from the board. So, I *support* this vote. However, it was my mistake that I did not check in time the voting bar for the project to go live.
Launching a new projet is something extremely important. A voting bar set at 50% is something I find plain wrong. Though it is too late for this time, I would be very glad if next time a project is proposed, a more consensual procedure is adopted. And at least possibility to agree on some points, and refuse others.
I know that in any decision the global community will adopt, there will be some happy and some unhappy people, and this is also why, though we must sometimes rely on voting procedure because of community size, I see voting as a bad choice. In such a vote, with a 50% barrier, that mean a project may be lauched with as much as 49 people very unhappy among 100. I do not see that as a positive move *at all*. And this in particular as some of those opposing the creation believe this project, as is, could hurt the project overall.
So, it does not matter for this one project (I'll try to give time so that policies are developped which can fit with more expressed opinions) but just as some users were not happy with the way wikispecies was launched, let me just state officially once for all, that I am not happy with such an important decision taken at simple majority.
Anthere
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Wikinews? Where is this vote? Where was it publicized?
RickK
Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com wrote: Since voting for the new project wikinews is well under way... I would like to mention 2 things.
When Erik set the vote, he set the voting bar at 50%. That means that if the number of approval is just over the number of disapproval, the project will be accepted (and obviously, it will be, since much more than 50% of people are supportive).
I would like to first remind that *I* asked Erik to set a vote, to avoid any further accusation of unilateral decision from the board. So, I *support* this vote. However, it was my mistake that I did not check in time the voting bar for the project to go live.
Launching a new projet is something extremely important. A voting bar set at 50% is something I find plain wrong. Though it is too late for this time, I would be very glad if next time a project is proposed, a more consensual procedure is adopted. And at least possibility to agree on some points, and refuse others.
I know that in any decision the global community will adopt, there will be some happy and some unhappy people, and this is also why, though we must sometimes rely on voting procedure because of community size, I see voting as a bad choice. In such a vote, with a 50% barrier, that mean a project may be lauched with as much as 49 people very unhappy among 100. I do not see that as a positive move *at all*. And this in particular as some of those opposing the creation believe this project, as is, could hurt the project overall.
So, it does not matter for this one project (I'll try to give time so that policies are developped which can fit with more expressed opinions) but just as some users were not happy with the way wikispecies was launched, let me just state officially once for all, that I am not happy with such an important decision taken at simple majority.
Anthere
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:56:10 -0800 (PST), Rick giantsrick13@yahoo.com wrote:
Wikinews?
*http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews
Where is this vote?
*http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Vote
Where was it publicized?
*http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Goings-on *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Goings-on *http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E5%B7%A5%E4%BD%9C%E8%BF%9B%E5%B1%95 *http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_petit_rapporteur *http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-October/001250.html *Various blogs: http://technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?rank=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wik... *Probably other places too.
Angela.
--- Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
... Launching a new projet is something extremely important. A voting bar set at 50% is something I find plain wrong.
I agree completely.
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Though it is too late for this time, I would be very glad if next time a project is proposed, a more consensual procedure is adopted. And at least possibility to agree on some points, and refuse others.
Yes, we need to develop procedures for this type of thing. We also need to build-in ways to help develop consensus and measure the level of support/dissent. Approval voting would help with that.
I know that in any decision the global community will adopt, there will be some happy and some unhappy people, and this is also why, though we must sometimes rely on voting procedure because of community size, I see voting as a bad choice. In such a vote, with a 50% barrier, that mean a project may be lauched with as much as 49 people very unhappy among 100. I do not see that as a positive move *at all*.
Exactly.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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