From: Anthere <anthere8(a)yahoo.com> Reply-To: anthere8(a)yahoo.com, English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 13:51:24 +0100 To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Nucleic acid and DNA There is no hurry. There has been an edit war going on DNA since late december. It was first protected on the 16th of january. Nearly 2 months ago. It still is protected, and there is absolutely no reason to think it is gonna be unprotected anytime soon. Today, I protected Nucleic acid per Lir request (the fight is the same, and by the same people than on DNA). Lir requested protection 2 weeks ago, and I promised to do so, if no solution were to be found. So that she wouldnot let herself go in an reversion war again. I hope this will not spread to all articles related to molecular biochemistry; it would be unfortunate that all those are protected one after the other. Now, it seems that there is little chance that discussion is gonna happen, until the case between 168 and Mav is solved. So, though there is no hurry in comparison to vandal fighting, I would like to ask Jimbo, * either to dip his hand in holy water, and shake it over pending requests for Jimbo to refer pending request for arbitration, so that the arbitration committee know that this request is relevant and should be considered * or that Jimbo take care of Mav and 168 little disagreements as he was doing previously * or that Jimbo talks to 168 and Lir * or that someone (anyone !) tries to find an idea so that 168 and Lir can live together on the same project. It is not as important that vandals, but there has been at least 2 contributors unhappy here for about 2 months. Meanwhile, they do not participate happily and efficiently, but rather spoil the mood, and discourage others. *This* is important. Imho ant _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

From: Anthere <anthere8(a)yahoo.com> Reply-To: anthere8(a)yahoo.com, English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 18:41:28 +0100 To: wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org Subject: [WikiEN-l] Re: Nucleic acid and DNA You may find what is going on on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ADNA Fred Bauder a écrit: _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

The issue of the actual wording of DNA's intro paragraph is, as you suggest, a fairly trivial one. The _real_ problem IMO is that 168... has been using his abilities as an admin to force the intro paragraph to be exactly the way he prefers it, regardless of how any discussion on talk: may be going. This is terrible behavior for an admin, especially over such an otherwise trivial matter.

Fred Bauder wrote: I'm with Fred here. I just don't get what the point of this is. I've tried reviewing the history pages (several times over the past few months), looking for a "knock down" argument that one version is, uhm, I don't know, factually incorrect, or scientifically incoherent, or politically charged, or anything. What I see is that some people prefer one, and some prefer the other, and that neither side seems willing to just let it go. My suspicion is that this page has turned into a proxy-fight about other, deeper, more personal beefs. There are points of pride involved? Or maybe I'm just missing the point. --Jimbo

Protecting "his" version of the page, this most recent time and also back around February 13 the previous time this problem arose. Also, back in the February incident, he got into a delete/undelete war over the request-for-comment page where this was being discussed; this was the reason for his emergency de-sysopping at the time. I've apparently become "involved" now so my perspective may be considered biased.