On 5/23/07, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)waterwiki.info> wrote: Fair enough. I think that underscores the confusion many have here. No admin action short of OFFICE cannot by 'legally' undone by anyone else. A block, a deletion, a protection--any other admin can in good faith per policy or IAR undo them to improve the encyclopedia according to their judgement. This new tone by your statements, and David, and especially Tony Sidaway's strident statements is that a lone admin or two can make immutable changes to the encyclopedia that others cannot supercede without a desysopalble wheel war, simply by invoking "BLP". *That's* new. It all comes back to one of the things I asked David: why is Admin Bob's viewpoint of any more value than Admin Jim's, and why can't other admins simply collectively decide that one or both of them are wrong? By saying BLP under this new model, they can't. I say BLP, you all are shut down unless ArbCom says otherwise. *That's* new. It gives tremendous new authority and power to admins: "you cannot reverse me." Regards, Joe http://www.joeszilagyi.com