-----Original Message----- From: Joe Szilagyi [mailto:szilagyi@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 04:02 PM To: 'English Wikipedia' Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP, and admin role in overriding community review
Was this change in public tone and approach to BLP, DRV, et al discussed anywhere beyond this mailing list and on-wiki? Any other maillists, or IRC? It seems that suddenly a collection of senior people that work together are all on a unified page on something which is going to be very contententious to many individuals. If this is the New Way, would one of you be so good as to specifically modify WP:BLP with these changes, to see if the community accepts them?
Regards, Joe http://www.joeszilagyi.com
It is not my intention to modify policy, but to apply it in a practical way.
Fred
On 5/23/07, Fred Bauder fredbaud@waterwiki.info wrote:
It is not my intention to modify policy, but to apply it in a practical way.
Fair enough. I think that underscores the confusion many have here. No admin action short of OFFICE cannot by 'legally' undone by anyone else. A block, a deletion, a protection--any other admin can in good faith per policy or IAR undo them to improve the encyclopedia according to their judgement.
This new tone by your statements, and David, and especially Tony Sidaway's strident statements is that a lone admin or two can make immutable changes to the encyclopedia that others cannot supercede without a desysopalble wheel war, simply by invoking "BLP". *That's* new.
It all comes back to one of the things I asked David: why is Admin Bob's viewpoint of any more value than Admin Jim's, and why can't other admins simply collectively decide that one or both of them are wrong? By saying BLP under this new model, they can't. I say BLP, you all are shut down unless ArbCom says otherwise. *That's* new. It gives tremendous new authority and power to admins: "you cannot reverse me."
Regards, Joe http://www.joeszilagyi.com
On 23/05/07, Joe Szilagyi szilagyi@gmail.com wrote:
This new tone by your statements, and David, and especially Tony Sidaway's strident statements is that a lone admin or two can make immutable changes to the encyclopedia that others cannot supercede without a desysopalble wheel war, simply by invoking "BLP". *That's* new.
It's not new, as I've pointed out.
It all comes back to one of the things I asked David: why is Admin Bob's viewpoint of any more value than Admin Jim's, and why can't other admins simply collectively decide that one or both of them are wrong? By saying BLP under this new model, they can't. I say BLP, you all are shut down unless ArbCom says otherwise. *That's* new. It gives tremendous new authority and power to admins: "you cannot reverse me."
In practice this hardly ever happens. In the QZ thing it was arguably wheel-warring, but everyone calmed down and backed off to a large extent.
- d.