On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:43:03 -0700, Cary Bass wrote:
On 07/21/2010 12:07 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
Indeed. The address of the old office was kept quiet for security reasons, but the address of the new office has always been publicly available. To give him the benefit of the tiniest bit of doubt, he might have written it while the WMF was in the old office and just taken a long time to submit it to the court and not thought to check it was still true. There has been a phone number available for years, though.
Might I also offer that "kept quiet" does not negate "offered up to anyone who phoned up and asked for it." In reality, it was simply not publicized; but it was generally fairly easy to get.
Still, making any attempt to be secretive about where the office was (which even included deleting pictures from Commons that showed what the building looked like) was a really silly thing for an organization based around free exchange of information to do, and was rightly ridiculed by critics such as the WR crowd.
On 23 July 2010 13:53, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
Still, making any attempt to be secretive about where the office was (which even included deleting pictures from Commons that showed what the building looked like) was a really silly thing for an organization based around free exchange of information to do, and was rightly ridiculed by critics such as the WR crowd.
The Foundation, like any other employer, has a duty (both legal and moral) to protect its staff. The nature of the Foundation's work means there is a significant risk of it coming under various forms of attack, including people turning up at the office and behaving in a threatening manner. Keeping the location of the office quiet was the best way the Foundation had to mitigate that risk. The new office comes with security, so the risk is significantly reduced, hence the address being published.
On 24 July 2010 00:57, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 July 2010 13:53, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
rightly ridiculed by critics such as the WR crowd.
See, that's a sentence fragment that is intrinsically flawed. The WR crowd in question was not "critics", the correct term is "stalkers and trolls," several of whom are the actual people the foundation was concerned about showing up there. You get no points for clear thinking on this topic.
The Foundation, like any other employer, has a duty (both legal and moral) to protect its staff. The nature of the Foundation's work means there is a significant risk of it coming under various forms of attack, including people turning up at the office and behaving in a threatening manner. Keeping the location of the office quiet was the best way the Foundation had to mitigate that risk. The new office comes with security, so the risk is significantly reduced, hence the address being published.
- d.
On 24 July 2010 01:04, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 24 July 2010 00:57, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 July 2010 13:53, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
rightly ridiculed by critics such as the WR crowd.
See, that's a sentence fragment that is intrinsically flawed. The WR crowd in question was not "critics", the correct term is "stalkers and trolls," several of whom are the actual people the foundation was concerned about showing up there. You get no points for clear thinking on this topic.
Actually, I think the correct term has a few more asterisks in it...
David -
Please don't toss napalm on the fire.
Thanks.
-george
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:04 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 24 July 2010 00:57, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 July 2010 13:53, Daniel R. Tobias dan@tobias.name wrote:
rightly ridiculed by critics such as the WR crowd.
See, that's a sentence fragment that is intrinsically flawed. The WR crowd in question was not "critics", the correct term is "stalkers and trolls," several of whom are the actual people the foundation was concerned about showing up there. You get no points for clear thinking on this topic.
The Foundation, like any other employer, has a duty (both legal and moral) to protect its staff. The nature of the Foundation's work means there is a significant risk of it coming under various forms of attack, including people turning up at the office and behaving in a threatening manner. Keeping the location of the office quiet was the best way the Foundation had to mitigate that risk. The new office comes with security, so the risk is significantly reduced, hence the address being published.
- d.
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I think those "clueless" people out there (or those who are just plain ignorant) are beginning to know how exactly the "wheel" was invented.
-MuZemike
On 7/23/2010 7:49 PM, George Herbert wrote:
David -
Please don't toss napalm on the fire.
Thanks.
-george
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:04 PM, David Gerarddgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 24 July 2010 00:57, Thomas Daltonthomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On 23 July 2010 13:53, Daniel R. Tobiasdan@tobias.name wrote:
rightly ridiculed by critics such as the WR crowd.
See, that's a sentence fragment that is intrinsically flawed. The WR crowd in question was not "critics", the correct term is "stalkers and trolls," several of whom are the actual people the foundation was concerned about showing up there. You get no points for clear thinking on this topic.
The Foundation, like any other employer, has a duty (both legal and moral) to protect its staff. The nature of the Foundation's work means there is a significant risk of it coming under various forms of attack, including people turning up at the office and behaving in a threatening manner. Keeping the location of the office quiet was the best way the Foundation had to mitigate that risk. The new office comes with security, so the risk is significantly reduced, hence the address being published.
- d.
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